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I just picked up MuLab 9.  Very interesting compact and simple DAW and modular environment.  It does not support VST3 so it is a great market for Unify.  I posted on their forum and someone else posted that they are also using it with Unify:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=585309&start=15

MuLab is definitely worth checking out if you are looking for a new creative tool.  There is also a plugin version:

https://www.mutools.com/mulab-product.html  


   
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@tony10000

100% agree MuLab 9 is an impressive plug-in. The developer was kind enough to provide John and me with NFR licenses to test it with Unify, and I've barely scratched the surface of it so far.

I'm very interested to see what people can accomplish with Unify + MuLab 9.


   
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@getdunne I have been loading up 4 instances of Unify and playing them using the Live Play Matrix.  A lot of fun for idea generation and jamming a la Ableton.

On this post, someone created custom panels for Unify:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=585309&start=15

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(...) I posted on their forum and someone else posted that they are also using it with Unify:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=585309&start=15

 

Hi, I'm that "someone else". I've been using MuLab with Unify for quite a long time, and I can tell that these two pieces of software are giving me unimaginable superpowers:))

P.S. I also contributed to their "community library", you can find some of my stuff on the latest pages of the stick post at the top of their forum.


   
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@tony10000

100% agree MuLab 9 is an impressive plug-in. The developer was kind enough to provide John and me with NFR licenses to test it with Unify, and I've barely scratched the surface of it so far.

I'm very interested to see what people can accomplish with Unify + MuLab 9.

Hi, I'm glad to know that you've got your copy of MuLab. I attached one of my custom panels I use with Unify. (to make it work you may need to use MuLab's plugin manager and add the BlueArp to it's list). It has the "composer" within it, that can be used with all sort of loops and they will sync to the host tempo. (rex files also supported). When we get Unify "sync to host stop position", MuLab's composer will work great on Unify layers.

 

   
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@robert-p Well, hello!  How did you create those panels?  They are really cool!


   
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@robert-p Well, hello!  How did you create those panels?  They are really cool!

I watched the tutorial and started creating my own:))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d10K4NYWChw

 


   
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@robert-p Well, hello!  How did you create those panels?  They are really cool!

I watched the tutorial and started creating my own:))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d10K4NYWChw

 

Yeah, I watched that video...I finally figured out where the templates are.


   
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It's worth mentioning that MuLab's composer/live matrix clips can be used to automate/modulate all Unify's macro knobs - a hundreds of "automation scenes" can be created within a single project and then triggered during the live performance.


   
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@getdunne 

I have been using Mulab myself for many years now, including Mulab 9 ... but I also want to draw your attention to this free tool from MeldaProduction: MCCGenerator

It is a  8 modulator vst subset of the full modulation capabilities of MSoundfactory, and communicates via Midi CC to Unify.
It has some overlap with your current offering, but can be regarded as a modulator plugin to Unify

https://meldaproduction.com/MCCGenerator


   
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@robert-p 

Goodness yes, I completely overlooked that clip-matrix possibility for the MUlab 9 (plugin)

variant ... brilliant!


   
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Posted by: @erik-van-wees

(...) I also want to draw your attention to this free tool from MeldaProduction: MCCGenerator (...)

I also use MCC Generator, very handy tool!


   
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(...) I also want to draw your attention to this free tool from MeldaProduction: MCCGenerator (...)
@dun

I also use MCC Generator, very handy tool!

Have you managed to connect it to Unify (Macroknobs) yet? 
@getdunne It am sorry, it might need the new beta midi CC utility that John showed ...

 

 

 


   
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Have you managed to connect it to Unify (Macroknobs) yet? 

Yes, I placed MCC Generator on Unify's MIDI layer and embedded Unify instance on instrument layer. I assigned MIDI CCs to that embedded Unify macro knobs and activated the modulation within MCC Generator itself - the macro knobs follows the modulation source according to the shape I choose. I'm not sure if the modulation is available with unregistered version of MCC generator, I use the paid version.


   
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@robert-p 

Thanks Robert, I will try that,

on the Melda website it looks that MCCGen is part of the free bundle, so not the $15 upgrade, but if need be we can ask them

directly ...

 


   
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(lots of functionality for just a little cash though)

  

True, however MuLab9 adds even more functionality to Unify and it cost less than a bunch of other plugins that would be needed to get the similar results.


   
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True that! I am truely amazed what Jo has developed (programming his own time-stretching, why not)

Have you tried with the vst version of Mulab in Unify Standalone yet? I only own Mulab 9 DAW atm.


   
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Have you tried with the vst version of Mulab in Unify Standalone yet? I only own Mulab 9 DAW atm.

The main reason I choose MuLab Plugin over MuLab DAW was to use it with Unify. Also I use Studio One as main main DAW, so there was no need for another one:)) MuLab Plugin and Unify Plugin work great together in both scenarios: MuLab within Unify and Unify within MuLab.


   
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Have you tried with the vst version of Mulab in Unify Standalone yet? I only own Mulab 9 DAW atm.

The main reason I choose MuLab Plugin over MuLab DAW was to use it with Unify. Also I use Studio One as main main DAW, so there was no need for another one:)) MuLab Plugin and Unify Plugin work great together in both scenarios: MuLab within Unify and Unify within MuLab.

Thanks a lot Robert, I too have Studio One as my main DAW (Sphere) and just purchased Mulab 9 Plugin to add to the fun ...


   
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(...) I too have Studio One as my main DAW (Sphere) and just purchased Mulab 9 Plugin to add to the fun ...

Cool, we're on the same boat:))


   
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(...) I too have Studio One as my main DAW (Sphere) and just purchased Mulab 9 Plugin to add to the fun ...

Cool, we're on the same boat:))

Wow, boatloads of fun ... have you connected Mulab LFO's and ADSR already, Robert? Or should we best use automation?

 


   
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(...) have you connected Mulab LFO's and ADSR already, Robert? Or should we best use automation?

 

I haven't tried LFO's and ADSR with Unify yet, but I can imagine how good the results can be:)) Currently I have Unify's macro knobs mapped to automation clips, I draw the lines, use the scenes and also have a lot of fun. The possibilities are endless:))


   
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It is cool that that there are folks who are really into MuLab and Unify.  Would love to see some YouTube videos on how you use them together.  Perhaps you can appear on the Saturday YT video with Skippy.  Or do some videos of your own.  I think that more MuTools and Unify users would be interested!

 


   
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It is cool that that there are folks who are really into MuLab and Unify.  Would love to see some YouTube videos on how you use them together.  Perhaps you can appear on the Saturday YT video with Skippy.  Or do some videos of your own.  I think that more MuTools and Unify users would be interested!

 

None of us would do that as good as John - I really enjoy his livestreams and the way he presents us with the new stuff. I'll probably make a short demo song at the beginning of next year, meanwhile, a could try to help by answering some questions (if there were any) on this forum.


   
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I agree with Robert, I have no experience in making videos and no intention to do so yet ...

Recommendation on Mulab 9 version (DAW or Plugin):

I would also, like Robert, suggest the plugin version as a first purchase; it can also be loaded (on PC) in something like the free Tone2 Minihost as a now standalone app, and of course can run inside of Unify and other hosts and DAWs...

 

 


   
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@robert-p

Could you kindly explain exactly what to do with your

M-Unify.Mux file that you posted above.

(I am looking at MuLab for the first time today)

Thanks.


   
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Could you kindly explain exactly what to do with your M-Unify.Mux file that you posted above.

(...)

Hi, M-Unify preset for Mulab contains a "Composer" and a "Scene Launcher". I use the composer:

  • to automate Unify's macro knobs in similar way to the "CC Rider" (introduced in ver. 1.9.1).
  • it also works as a MIDI sequence player (like the "MIDI Box" but with the ability to edit notes on the fly).
  • it plays audio files/drum loops etc. (time stretching and audio sequences synced with the host BPM).

The composer can work in both ways: linear timeline mode (like a DAW) or live mode (Ableton style). I launch the scenes either by triggering MIDI notes with my MIDI controller (CH-16), or with the mouse using the "Launcher" panel.


   
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@robert-p 

I just opened your M-Unify.mux in the Mulab app ... Wow! Clean and functional beauty ...
Did you also create the ChannelStrip? I will soonest check your other creations on the Mulab site ...

Thanks for sharing!


   
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@robert-p 

I just opened your M-Unify.mux in the Mulab app ... Wow! Clean and functional beauty ...

Thanks for sharing!

Yes, I made that Channel Strip too, It sounds really nice:)) On MuLab Site you can also find my old-school 4 osc. synth 😀


   
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@robert-p

Thank you for your reply.

Where exactly should I put M-Unify.Mux file and how do I launch it?

(When I try to drop it into main window using Browser , get error

'Couldn't load preset'.

Is there anything else I need to install?

Using MuLab App Demo v9.0.35 64 bit and Unify v1.9.1 as VST on Windows 10)

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Where exactly should I put M-Unify.Mux file and how do I launch it?

 

  • Open MuLab's Browser to display the User library
  • Right-click on "Mux" folder and locate it with the file explorer/finder
  • Place your "M-Unify" mux file there
  • Return to MuLab's browser, find your mux and drag and drop it to MuLab's project panel

You'll need to add Unify and BlueArp to MuLab's plugin list first.

I own MuLab Plugin only, so I'm not sure how it's gonna work within MuLab App.


   
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Have copied M-Unify.Mux file to user Library into a created Folder called MUX.

Have ensured that BluArp and and Unify are in the VST Plugins.

When the M-Unify.Mux file is dragged to main window from Browser still

get error 'Couldn't load preset file'.

Any idea what preset it is looking for?

Thanks

 


   
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Any idea what preset it is looking for?

 

I have no idea, there should be an instrument rack at the bottom of your project, drop your mux to one it's empty slots. If it won't work, go to MuLabs forum and the developer may provide you with more details:))


   
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@robert-p

Have tried MuLab 9 Plugin version too (which has just become available) and it gives the same Error.

Have you created any other MuLab Templates?

Thanks for your Help.

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Have you created any other MuLab Templates?

I don't know why it doesn't work, maybe a Demo limitation? Do you have any other muxes in your factory library, can you load them? My template contains a "Composer", which may not be available in demo version. Need to wait for a reply from the developer.


   
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AFAIK there is only demo of the Mulab 9 app, not the plugin ...
Mulab app works with your mux as well, but it also needs the vst2 plugs of Unify and BlueArp scanned.

 


   
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AFAIK there is only demo of the Mulab 9 app, not the plugin ...
Mulab app works with your mux as well, but it also needs the vst2 plugs of Unify and BlueArp scanned.

 

Thanks for confirming it works with the app - I've got the plugin only:))


   
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@robert-p

M-Unify.Mux now loads without any issue after updating to the very latest version of MuLab 9(Plugin too).

Many thanks for creating and sharing such a useful addon.


   
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I forgot to mention: If you'd like to use M-Unify in it's compact form (as a plugin within a host application), you'd need to open a "New Synth" project template in MuLab first, then load the Mux. (By default, MuLab Plugin loads a "New Composer" template when you start/load it).


   
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@robert-p 

For the record, there are 2 distinct Mulab 9 plugin versions: synth- and effect plugin. So your process uses the synthplugin as preference ...
(is the same as the effect plugin with an empty synth template loaded afterwards as you described...)

There is no real difference, except the startup configuration ... oh well ...


   
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