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Will Blake
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Just stumbled across these. Pianobook.co.uk founded by Christian one of the spitfire audio guys. It's free libraries in various formats. Also  'decent sampler' 

https://www.decentsamples.com/product/decent-sampler-plugin/

It has it's own file format, examples available on the piano book website and free libraries link on the site.

Am I telling people stuff they already know??, am I late to the party again??

 

 

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@will-blake

Many folks in the Unify community are aware of Pianobook and Decent Sampler, but probably not all. Thank you for the links.


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Patrick Smith
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Have a look at this Youtube video from Dave Hilowitz.  

(654) How to get 103 sample libraries for FREE! [Pianobook / DecentSampler] - YouTube

 


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If you'd like to see Decent Sampler bundled with Unify in future, please write to Dave Hilowitz and tell him. He might choose not to, but the more people who ask, the more likely he'll be to consider it.


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Posted by: @will-blake

Am I telling people stuff they already know??, am I late to the party again??

Never hurts to post about knowledge you can share.  I have heard reference to this many times but, since I keep to a limited number of VSTs, I haven't really checked it out.  Until now.  Your post was the one that finally made me think of checking it out.  I have the tab open now and will look more into it later.  Thanks.

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@ssquared Thanks for that and good idea about limited plugins.. no option dilemmas 😉👍🏻


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has someone installed descent sampler today? I would like to know if it is easily usable in Unify, is it stable or should we wait a little longer? It would be very nice to have in Unify built-in VSTI

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@dominique

Yes, it is very stable in Unify and has just been updated.  See my earlier post above to obtain some great libraries.


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Thank you Patrick .

Finally I installed it without waiting with some libraries. it's really good and even more so with Unify. 

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Decent sampler has been updated to version 1.2.3.

But since this update UNIFY crashes every time I change patches. it worked very well with v 1.00 .

In a simple reaper track without Unify it works perfectly but it is much less interesting to use.

Have you noticed this problem on your side?

I asked them if I could recover an older version. I'm waiting for an answer

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Hi Dominique - I'll look into this - first I've heard so thank you for the heads up!

 

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Hi dear John

for your information I did several tests with new decent sampler patches on UNIFY .

I observed that when you create a simple patch with only 1 decent sampler layer it doesn't crash.
On the other hand as soon as you create a decent sampler  patch with for example an additional auxiliary layer it crashes when you reload the patch.

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Posted by: @dominique
as soon as you create a decent sampler  patch with for example an additional auxiliary layer it crashes when you reload the patch.

I am unable to reproduce this. I'm testing on Windows 10, with Unify 1.6.2 (latest) and Decent Sampler VST v1.2.3 (latest).

I created a Unify patch with two Decent Sampler INST layers and one AUX layer using Dragonfly Hall. It reloads correctly every time.

Could you please post a Unify patch (.unify file; you will need to zip it before attaching to a forum post) that fails to reload for you? Please make it a very simple one, which does not rely on any sample-sets which are difficult to get.

 

UPDATE: I can reproduce the crash, but only if I first open a Decent Sampler instance manually first. Whatever the bug is, it seems to be in Decent Sampler itself, not Unify. I will pass this information on to David Hilowitz.


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Hi Shane

Thank you for your answer

Here is 2 patches model that I created with 1 layer decent sampler +1 layer master and an auxiliary layer.

in fact Unify does not crash the first time, but when I change patches several times in succession 

 

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@dominique

Thank you for the test patches and description. I have sent email to David Hilowitz, but not received a response yet.


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I just tried the new version 1.2.7 but the problem remains unchanged.

They did not reply to my first message. I just reminded them.

it's a shame because decent sampler is unusable with Unify at the moment. or you should not change the patch but it has no interest

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@dominique

I emailed David Hilowitz on September 28, 2021, but got no answer. I have just sent a follow-up email, passing on your report that the problem persists in Decent Sampler v1.2.7.

I would imagine that David receives floods of emails every day, very likely so many that he doesn't even have time to sift through them to identify the more serious ones. We can hope for a response, but it's not guaranteed.

I agree it's a shame, because Decent Sampler is a wonderful and valuable tool, and a nice complement to Guru Sampler in Unify.


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I believe I have found a work-around for these Decent Sampler crashes. If you update Unify's plug-in reuse rules to allow Decent Sampler instances to be reused, the problem seems to go away.

See https://pluginguru.net/unify/manual/doku.php?id=layer-reuse for full details about the reuse rules, but the basic steps are:

  1. Locate the file ReuseAcceptRules.xml. On Windows this lives in %appdata%\PlugInGuru\PluginRules-Unify.
  2. Open the file in a proper plain-text editor (Windows Notepad will do, but do NOT use WordPad).
  3. Add the line <PluginRule vendor="Decidedly" descName="DecentSampler"/> before the </PluginRules> line at the end.
  4. Save the file and restart Unify.

I have attached a Zip archive containing the two XML files I use on my PC. If you're not sure about editing your XML files, just use these instead.

Please let me know if this ever fails.


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I currently also have:

  <PluginRule vendor="Native Instruments%" name="Kontakt%"/>

Does that still make sense?

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Thank you Shane

David also just told me to wait until Monday.

He thinks he has the solution.

I will keep you informed of his response before modifying the XML file

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@nico

We found that removing the line for Kontakt worked better. It seems that Kontakt actually starts up slower when instances are re-used.

However, it's harmless to keep that line in ReuseAcceptRules.xml file.


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Posted by: @getdunne

@nico

We found that removing the line for Kontakt worked better. It seems that Kontakt actually starts up slower when instances are re-used.

However, it's harmless to keep that line in ReuseAcceptRules.xml file.

oh - thanks, I had missed that!

 

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dear Shane

here is the news for now

I tried the new version 1.3 of decent sampler as well as the modification of the ReuseAcceptRules.xml file.

Nothing has changed Unify crashes after changing patches a few times. 

It crashes much faster on multi-layer patches. On mono layer it is very irregular. it can crash after 2 or 3 times only but you can also go up to 20 times. A bit like LABS at one time.

I wrote to David yesterday again to let him know 

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