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Lowell
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June 8, 2020 10:54 pm  

Using the delay within Unify (can't recall the name) how do I create a stereo ping-pong style delay? I've tried a number of settings but can't seem to get it to work and always have to use NI Replika instead.


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saif_sameer
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June 8, 2020 11:08 pm  

Most convenient way is to have 2 Aux layers, each has Omega Delay. Aux1, make the delay dotted 8, and pan the Aux1 pan to the left, while Aux2 to have a regular eighth delay, pan it to the right. Try this preset:

 

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June 9, 2020 5:06 am  

@saif_sameer Thanks! That's a good workaround. It does cost 2X FX though, not sure if that outweighs just using Replika... probably doesn't. Maybe I'll make a feature request.


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June 9, 2020 1:05 pm  

Most welcome mate 🙂 DSP wise, I believe Replika consumes much more CPU than stacks of Omega delays, at least I can sense a latency when comparing the two. But the final word is for @getdunne that's for sure.

Anyhow, it's not a bad thing to request having an LCR Omega delay variant 🙂

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June 9, 2020 1:41 pm  

I'm not an expert on delays. @saif_sameer can you explain how this is different from

  • using a single Omega Delay on the INST layer
  • set to BPM Sync
  • D.Time L = 1/8 D
  • D.Time R = 1/8

To me they sound the same (after equalizing feedback amounts and overall levels). What am I missing?

Re CPU, I don't know about NI Replika, but Omega Delay so little CPU that it's hard to even measure, and has zero latency.


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June 9, 2020 3:37 pm  

My pleasure... The basic idea of the 'stereo' delay is having an audio splitter, typically the L & R, where each of these split channels can have their own settings, and then the repetition pattern to be configured by a pattern, normally these are the famous ones:

1. Ping-Pong = L, R, L, R

2. LCR (Left, Center mono, Right) = L, C, R, C, L, C, R, C

Surely the Omega delay can be a great start point to create an advanced stereo delay.

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Lowell
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June 10, 2020 3:33 am  
Posted by: @saif_sameer

My pleasure... The basic idea of the 'stereo' delay is having an audio splitter, typically the L & R, where each of these split channels can have their own settings, and then the repetition pattern to be configured by a pattern, normally these are the famous ones:

1. Ping-Pong = L, R, L, R

2. LCR (Left, Center mono, Right) = L, C, R, C, L, C, R, C

Surely the Omega delay can be a great start point to create an advanced stereo delay.

Yes, exactly. And if the Omega delay could do this, I'd ditch Replika. It certainly feels heavier as a plugin.


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June 10, 2020 3:03 pm  

Thank you for all this feedback. John and I have started discussing possible expansions for Omega Delay.

I have little experience in audio production and sound design, so detailed explanations like Saif has provided are most helpful. For me to turn ideas into code, I need to understand them in detail.


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June 11, 2020 3:40 am  

Thanks, Shane! You guys are great with innovation. It's one thing I tell others about when talking about Unify.


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Lowell
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September 13, 2020 11:38 pm  

@getdunne, should I create a feature request for adding the various ping pong delays to Omega Delay?


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September 13, 2020 11:43 pm  
Posted by: @saif_sameer

Most welcome mate 🙂 DSP wise, I believe Replika consumes much more CPU than stacks of Omega delays, at least I can sense a latency when comparing the two. But the final word is for @getdunne that's for sure.

Anyhow, it's not a bad thing to request having an LCR Omega delay variant 🙂

How do I use this .UNIFY file? All of the existing presets I can see are XML files.


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September 13, 2020 11:45 pm  

@lowell

Yes, please, with a brief specifications!

 


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September 13, 2020 11:48 pm  

@getdunne OK, will do. I'm sure you'd be able to answer my question about the .UNIFY file presets that were shared above... might you?


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September 14, 2020 12:01 am  

@lowell

Saif made a .unify patch file showing how to set up ping-pong delay using multiple AUX layers. Put that file into User Library/Patches, rebuild the patch database, and you can load it. (Just enter "LCR" in the search field to find it quickly.)


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September 14, 2020 12:49 am  

@getdunne Ah, perfect. Thanks! I forgot that individual patches are in the .UNIFY format. I'll save the AUX as an effect preset for now.


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