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Instance of UNIFY in UNIFY - Routing

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Insight of UINFY you can route layers to AUX busses. But what is going on if this happens in a UNIFY that is an instance of another UNIFY? Are there any possibilities to route to another instance of UNIFY or to the top level?

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Insight of UINFY you can route layers to AUX busses. But what is going on if this happens in a UNIFY that is an instance of another UNIFY? Are there any possibilities to route to another instance of UNIFY or to the top level?

No. See https://pluginguru.net/unify/manual/doku.php?id=overview#signal_flow.

Can you give an example of what you're trying to do?


   
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I don't mean to diminish the OP's inquiry, but I am thinking how keeping nested Unify layers not intertwined in their routing with other Unify layers within Unify makes it possible to plug & play different patches within the master Unify patch. Once you have interdependencies between sub-layers of Unify instances, that ability will become very fragile and lead to complex behaviors that might be hard to troubleshoot. I would keep the routing hierarchical, as is - where you can route embedded Unify layers' output to the master level. You know what I mean?


   
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@berndpdx, @seagreg

There are two reasons Unify doesn't do this (and never will):

  1. It would complicate the implementation immensely.
  2. CPU efficiency would go out the window.

   
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@getdunne Exactly, plus you could inadvertantly create infinite recursion, or feedback loops that would not only be hard to troubleshoot, but also could sound nasty - think of a runaway microphone feedback loop while performing <yikes>


   
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I personally feel there are a couple different reasons we will not do this with Unify:

 

1) The original concept is to keep patches like independent bubbles - interchangeable and simple to manage. 

2) The highest level has to be where each level is independent and equal. Letting another layer access another layers effect is something you can do in a Patch until the cows come home but the top is always equal.

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Posted by: @getdunne
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Insight of UINFY you can route layers to AUX busses. But what is going on if this happens in a UNIFY that is an instance of another UNIFY? Are there any possibilities to route to another instance of UNIFY or to the top level?

No. See https://pluginguru.net/unify/manual/doku.php?id=overview#signal_flow.

Can you give an example of what you're trying to do?

That’s the signal flow for one instance of UNIFY. It is not obvious how sub instances are routed, especially if they contain aux busses. I mailed you an example. A modified version of “From Berlin with love”. 

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@seagreg

Embedded Unify instances are just another plug-in, like any other. There are no options for routing the output of a plug-in in ways other than are shown in the diagram, nor will there be, for the technical reasons I cited.


   
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Maybe I’m too stupid. But I thought there are always two ways to connect two units. Serial or parallel. 


   
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@seagreg

Perhaps I'm not understanding. I thought you were asking if it was possible to connect the outputs of specific layers in an embedded Unify instance, to specific layers in the enclosing instance. That's not "serial vs. parallel", it's "violation of hierarchy".


   
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Did you receive my mail with the modified “From Berlin with Love” patch?

 


   
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@seagreg

I got your email, but haven't had time to explore in detail yet. I will have a look now.


   
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I know you are very busy. So take your time. 


   
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