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(@balayzell)
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I've installed several plugins that do not have their own preset browser within the main GUI itself and instead seem to rely on a DAWs preset 'wrapper' (for lack of a better term?) that adds a plugin title bar containing a preset browser instead. This is occuring with some Green Oak Software and Biptunia plugins, and some older HG Fortune 32-bit plugins for example. When I load these plugins into Unify (using JBridge wrapper for the 32-bit versions) there is no 'title bar' preset browser appearing for the plugin, and thus no way to load and save these plugin's presets (unless of course I save the current plugin's settings along with the Unify preset). Using Unify's load or save plugin state feature doesn't help much because the plugin's factory presets are still inaccessible. I would certainly like to use these plugins in Unify and utilize a preset browser for them. Any thoughts? (Note: I use Windows 10 and my DAW is Cakewalk.)


   
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(@getdunne)
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@balayzell

Try clicking the "ops button" (concentric circles icon) to the right of the plug-in name in Unify (where you would click to, e.g., swap in a different plug-in). For plug-ins which support the (long since outdated) concept of "programs", you should see a "Change Program" sub-menu, where you can select among the available presets. Further below on the "Operations" sub-menu, you should see options to load/save FXP/FXB files.

This works for many older VST2 plug-ins, but not all. Please comment below regarding which of yours work this way, and which do not.


   
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(@balayzell)
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@getdunne

Thank you Shane.

I tried using "load .vstpreset" in the Operations submenu for Green Oak Software's Cesium (an effect). (There is no Change Program menu item for this plugin and their factory presets come in a folder in .vstpreset format.) This operation crashed Unify all 3 times while trying to load the preset I'm assuming. I tried the same operation (load .vstpreset) with same company's Tungsten plugin, also an effect. It crashed Unify again. Unfortunately, they don't appear to have a vst2 version to try out. So, in any case, the option to load the .vstpreset file is available but the crashing I'm assuming is a different issue.

 

I then tried Biptunia's Microtone 5000 synth (vst2) and the Operations menu included a "Change Menu" option for this plugin to load their .xmlpreset formatted presets. This worked fine for their vst2 version. For their vst3 version, for some reason only a .xmlbank file was provided with the plugin, not individual preset files, so this was a no go. But I can easily just use the vst2 version so there's no problem here.

 

Finally, I tried the 'old' HG Fortune synth Alionoctis (which has no preset browser) and I was able to use the Change Program menu item to successfully select its presets.

 

So, in the end, I just didn't notice the Change Program menu item option previously. I focused only on the sub-menu items for the Operations menu. Sorry about that. Thanks again for helping me with my oversight!

 

Brian Layzell


   
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(@getdunne)
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@balayzell

I did some research into this, and learned that the JUCE plug-in framework (on which Unify is built) now has built-in support for loading .vstpreset files. Their implementation is much better than mine, and works fine with Cesium's preset files. The next version of Unify will use this.


   
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(@balayzell)
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@getdunne Sounds great. Thanks again very much!


   
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