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myuusic
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Hey everyone.
Would love to use Unify's midi effects outside of Unify and record the Midi in my DAW. I've googled a bit and saw posts from last year that Midi out hasn't been added yet. Is there any update to this?

 

 


   
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Hey, @myuusic,

Thanks for reaching out. We have not added MIDI out to Unifies features as of yet. We are still working on it. We do not have a timeline as to when we will implement but it is definitely in our future plans. Thanks for your interest.

Kindly,

Taylor Harris

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Posted by: @myuusic

Hey everyone.
Would love to use Unify's midi effects outside of Unify and record the Midi in my DAW (..) 

There is a new Blue Cat's "Connector" available. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems that it could send MIDI out of Unify (once placed on the MIDI layer at the end of MIDI Fx chain). It could be also used as a workaround for multiple audio outputs (One BC connector for each instrument layer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwaTIO1uK0&list=PLbLfuefKkpR1rC0GsAiXVM8MzRBBxCvhf

 


   
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Posted by: @robert-p
Posted by: @myuusic

Hey everyone.
Would love to use Unify's midi effects outside of Unify and record the Midi in my DAW (..) 

There is a new Blue Cat's "Connector" available. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems that it could send MIDI out of Unify (once placed on the MIDI layer at the end of MIDI Fx chain). It could be also used as a workaround for multiple audio outputs (One BC connector for each instrument layer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwaTIO1uK0&list=PLbLfuefKkpR1rC0GsAiXVM8MzRBBxCvhf

 

Thanks to the third video, got it working like a charm sending Unify's Master out to OBS! WooHoo!!!!!! 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVsMquXWMZo

Don't be too shocked if when you switch the OBS instance to "Receive" that the screen goes black as the GUI disappears. Just close the window and re-open it again and the GUI will return. (OBS fixes this problem in the next update.)

Terry


   
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@robert-p I can confirm that Blue Cat Connector is exactly what is required to allow all MIDI and INST layers to be output separately from Unify into your DAW. This was the main feature I was waiting for in Unify and I made the purchase instantly after testing out the demo and seeing that it works perfectly.


   
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@jason_za

Welcome to the Unify family! I hope you enjoy it.

Please note we are planning to release an advanced version of Unify this year, which will have MIDI-out and multi-channel audio-out support. This will be a paid upgrade. Depending on what you need to do with MIDI, you may still find Blue Cat Connector useful. Blue Cat Audio makes great tools.


   
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@getdunne Thanks - looking forward to the advanced version.


   
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@jason_za 

Thanks for the info! I purchased it and it works seamlessly. I was hoping to see Unify paid upgrade earlier (I'll buy it anyways once available to support Unify development and to have native integration of MIDI Output).


   
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@robert-p Agreed - I'm also keen to support Unify development and agree that it will be better having native integration of MIDI/Audio Output. Hopefully the advanced version will also support sidechaining...


   
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Posted by: @jason_za

Hopefully the advanced version will also support sidechaining...

That's not on the list at the moment. Can you explain what type of sidechaining you want to do, that isn't already possible using Unify's built-in ComboBox plug-in?


   
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Posted by: @getdunne

@jason_za

Welcome to the Unify family! I hope you enjoy it.

Please note we are planning to release an advanced version of Unify this year, which will have MIDI-out and multi-channel audio-out support. This will be a paid upgrade. Depending on what you need to do with MIDI, you may still find Blue Cat Connector useful. Blue Cat Audio makes great tools.

I certainly do HOPE it will be a paid upgrade - I've already BOUGHT everything you have just about, and need to contribute MORE to support this fantastic development!

Unify is the best thing that has ever happened to my electronic music creativity (that's 50+ years!)

Terry


   
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@getdunne I was referring to e.g. the Bass Layer sidechained by Kick Layer. Combobox is a good solution, although having the necessary audio effects in their respective layers provides a better workflow. I've been adding individual Unified tracks into my DAW, so I can add the necessary sidechaining into these tracks and a separate UNIFY track for all my MIDI, routed into these individual Unify tracks, using Blue Cat Connector. i'm a late adopter to music production and only a hobbyist, so I'm sure that there are better solutions than what I'm currently using but having the ability to quickly change my MIDI Combis (e.g. Lead, Melody, Pad, Bass, etc.) without affecting outputs to the instruments is my main goal.


   
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Adding an audio input to Unify and having it also available as VST Effect would allow us to create some very powerful FX chains that could be placed on our audio tracks within a DAW 


   
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Posted by: @robert-p

Adding an audio input to Unify and having it also available as VST Effect would allow us to create some very powerful FX chains that could be placed on our audio tracks within a DAW 

Coming in 2022.


   
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Posted by: @jason_za

I was referring to e.g. the Bass Layer sidechained by Kick Layer. Combobox is a good solution, although having the necessary audio effects in their respective layers provides a better workflow.

I agree ComboBox is not very intuitive. I will give some thought to how to provide a generic sidechain solution in a future version of Unify.

Note that Pump House is often sufficient to provide a (simulated) sidechain-ducking effect, and if you want something more elaborate, consider Gatekeeper by Polyverse Music.


   
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Posted by: @getdunne
Adding an audio input to Unify and having it also available as VST Effect would allow us to create some very powerful FX chains that could be placed on our audio tracks within a DAW 

Coming in 2022.

Good to know, thanks!


   
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@getdunne I tend to use Trackspacer a lot to carve out/sidechain the preferred frequencies across instrument tracks to my liking (not just bass vs kick). Another plugin I like using for sidechaining across the same track (e.g. Lead) is Transmutator from United Plugins. Pump House is a great addition to Unify though.


   
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@jason_za

Thanks for these clarifying details. As I said, I'll give this some thought.


   
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@getdunne Thanks, Shane. Unify is awesome and kudos to you, John and the rest of the Pluginguru team for making such as amazing product - there really isn't anything quite like it out there.


   
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@getdunne Hi getdunne, I recently joined the Unify family and I was looking for the Unify midi out and found this thread, is this add-on available? Where can I find it? Thanks in advance,


   
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@arthur

MIDI-out for Unify isn't available yet, and won't be for some time. In the meantime, you may find Blue Cat's Connector plug-in useful.


   
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@jason_za  do you happen to have a link to any instructions on how to get connector to work in Unify for midi out?

Thanks for any help.


   
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Hi @Far. In your first track, add BC Connector after your MIDI plugin in Unify and select SEND and then set to LOCAL HOST and choose a port (default is 8080).

Now in your second track, add an instance of BC Connector before your Synth, VST Instrument, etc. and select RCV (receive) and then set to LOCAL HOST and choose the same port as you set for the SEND value in unify (8080 in the example I attached).

 

If you want to include multiple Unify instances and have their outputs routed to different VST instruments, simply change the PORT numbers to match the UNIFY instance, e.g. 8081, 8082, etc.

Hope that this helps.


   
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@jason_za Thank You Jason for the info.


   
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Any word on adding an update with a true MIDI out? BC Connector is cumbersome and introduces latency. 


   
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Posted by: @vvvv

Any word on adding an update with a true MIDI out? BC Connector is cumbersome and introduces latency. 

This will be going into beta testing soon, probably near the end of this month.

 


   
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Hi @getdunne. This is fantastic news and upgrading to the premium version of Unify just for MIDI Out would be worth it, in my opinion.


   
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Hi @getdunne. Please let me know if you need any additional beta testers for the MIDI out functionality - will be happy to provide some rigorous testing on multiple lesser-known DAWS, including MPC Software, Maschine Software, MuLab 9 and Tracktion Waveform 12.


   
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@jason_za

Thank you. I will be in touch once I get the next regular version out.


   
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I love using polybox with a group of pads in Mono/EP mode with random enabled with a large pool size and letting random combinations amaze me. I have always wanted to capture multi midi out from Unify to separate DAW midi tracks so I can grab hold and replicate the substance of what Unify is able to magically create to iterate on the combinations it comes up with. 
Now once you have multi midi out stood up and working, if you could imagine having a feature where you could freeze the current polybox state channel distribution it randomly created as a polybox preset which could then also save and attach to the Unify preset patch, you could have patch preset snapshots to recall. And then a way to map switching the preset snapshots, and you have controlled and captured chaos that Unify was only able to come up with. (This is all imagined from the state of playing chords, which would need consistency in the sequence of playing. Maybe something of the sort suitable in-conjunction with midibox/sequencer and chord input. Or being able to choose a type of common chord playing behavior for it to match up with, so you can still give the keyboard player some self expression vs locking it down to non-playable avenues)  
Any hoots, lots of ideas in this brain!

I can test Unify midi out in the latest Ableton, Studio One and FL Studio versions if needed. Get in touch :  )


   
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In the meantime, I may find Blue Cat's Connector plug-in useful.


   
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Posted by: @getdunne

Posted by: @robert-p

Adding an audio input to Unify and having it also available as VST Effect would allow us to create some very powerful FX chains that could be placed on our audio tracks within a DAW 

Coming in 2022.

  I didn't see this mentioned in the Unify user documentation.  Just curious: has implementation of this feature been postponed or dropped?

 


   
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Posted by: @sjmarano

I didn't see this mentioned in the Unify user documentation.  Just curious: has implementation of this feature been postponed or dropped?

I guess you could say it was postponed. I was a bit over-eager back at the start of 2022, when I said it would be coming that year. It will be coming THIS year--2024.

 


   
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