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Could Unify get an interface like Dr T's Keyboard Sequencer Level II PVG Program Variations Generator. This product was so far ahead of it's time.


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Unify stores things pretty well, but it would be nice to have a General Midi Bank available.  The Roland vsc3 was excellent but that stopped working in windows quite a ways back.  But how hard would it be to construct the Programmable Variations Generator from DR T's excellent KCS II programming.  I spent hours reading the manual but not having a background to use it.  Now I sort of understand where things go but unless I want to emulate an Amiga  or Atari ST I can't take advantadge of the brilliance and ingenuity of that program.  It seems there are things in there that to this day have not been really explored. 

 

 


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I'm not sure what you mean by "a General MIDI bank", but have you looked into Unify's MIDI Bank Files features?

Re KCS II, that was a bit before my time, but it seems interesting so I've sent a note to Dr. T and hopefully he can share some insight.


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Wow! Blast from the past. I used to use Dr T's KCS Omega on the Atari ST decades ago...


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Actually you can still get ahold of KCS Level II at Tims Atari Midi  World You can emulate an Atari ST on your computer with Steem and it will even run midi, but that software had all sorts of auto generated ability for doing so much musically but none of the words they used mostly physics matched the arranger words so many people had no idea how to understand it.  It was 25 years ahead of the times.                                                                    Tims Atari MIDI World (exxoshost.co.uk) 

I can give you my phone number and help you set it up, but you guys should know about it.  Some of the Atari midi programs seemed to have more midi features than the new one's do.

 

 


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Actually what I will do is see if I can integrate using Unity into either the Atari or Amiga versions of the software.  I think the Amiga was a much more advanced machine.  But because the Atari had a built in midi port, more musicians and product companies created more music software for it.  but with the emulators I may be surprized at what it is possible to do.  But that particular program would be interesting for PlugIn Guru because sound design requires a certain amount of Physics to understand arrangements which the sounds by themselves may actually seem weak but when they are fitted across other ranged sounds fit more perfect on a mix.  There is another one for the Amiga called Bars and PIpes which had picture icons and you had to associate the picture icons with different processes.  I will play around with these next week and share my experience.  I own the fantastic Band in a Box so I will compare Dr T's to that system and write about what is easy or hard to figure out.  But Unify if developed right could integrate in all these midi based ideals that seemed to have dropped out when most programs went more towards audio.  There are also Atari Emulator Steem SSE set up video's but you need to create in the steem folder the alphabet for up to 10 virtual drives that you can use starting from C-L that you can use for other exploraitons.  

 


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OK I got Dr T's to work into a VST.  Somehow I changed something in Unify like the midi cable input and so now Unify  is not giving me any sound.  But I found the docs for KCS  available by downloading the Internet Archive Atari ST applications and Commodore Applications and the docs for both computers.  .  The manual is on Sewer Disk 20 and 21 and it also features Tiger and Quick Score which are MPE multi programing environment shared.  I did my actual test using the Amiga 4.0 KCS Level II on the 2nd disk under Dr T's or Keyboard Controlled Sequencer.  But the Amiga (which in my opinion is a much better machine than the Atari was.  Because it has custom chips and a built in Audio Recorder.  But it is more difficult to set up than Atari my goal was to make KCS play a sequence into (I wanted it to be Unify) but I tried it on somehing simple like the Arturia Mini and my Casio was able to play into the sequencer and record the midi info.  I then discovered that the original KCS came out before the piano roll had been invented, so they created an addon piano roll called Tiger.  That you load up by flipping MPE back to load it, then on top of that there was another program called QucikScore which allowed you to input what you played through the pianoroll Tiger and it would record the midi as actual notes.  Which I wanted as my attention is to be able to develop a memory for a wider pallete of Drum Sounds but I started with the simple mini to test with the loopmidi which creates a virtual midi cable between the KCS and Unify.  Then set up my drum material.  and copy that into the sequencer .  Everything worked.  But I used the Amiga which is a bit more complicated to set up than the Steem SSE.  Anyways all of this works quicker than it sounds.  In the Amiga 's case once you add a disc it will retain a recent useage so next time you need to load the discs they are at your finger tips and you don't have to go searching through all the application files.  Anyways The Amiga is more difficult to set up initially It requires you to copy from the Amiga Forever  the ADF workbench files Directory C/users/ public/documents/amiga files ADF  into the Winuae directory and have them as disc's because the Amiga OS was not automatically programmed on the chips themselves.  Also you have to at the path's settings point to the Amiga Forever Roms and set the config for an Amiga1200.  But then you have to add the WB 3.0 disk as the 1st floppy, the Dr T''s KCS 1st disk, then the KCS 2 disc which has the Level II sequencer and use the disk to make your own disk to store your midi file (make sure you put a 0 in front of it so it is moved to the top of your applicaiton directory.  But you legally have to buy the Cloanto Amiga Forever.  to get the Kickstart 3.0 Rom which is what the Amiga 1200 would use. Also change in quickstart the Memory to 4 megabytes instead of 2.  Now why would anyone want to revert back because this sequencer had so many parts to it like Band in a Box but they were laid out more clearly to learn on.  and you really are teaching yourself how to learn to arrage and manipulate parts and the newer sequencers don't seem to be as smooth as this one was.   That's an issue because sequencing is super complex.  and I think this program looks (for a sequencer extrememly powerful and like it's easy to use.  Anyways if you want any clarification just ask.


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Commodore Amiga Applications from Internet Archive

 


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Also for internet archive try Tosec Commodore Amiga also so it takes you to the right location.

 


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@methodman

It would be great if you could make a short video showing some of these results.


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Great News I got Unify to work with the Amiga Dr T's Keyboard Controlled Sequencer  Level II.  And I added Tiger (piano Roll) and Quick Score so it was able to place what I played in to Notation.  Somethng after struggling I have not been able to do in Cakewalk Band Lab.  Now I am working on building a Hard Drive that will automatically install all 4 programs together put into a Startup-Sequence.(Amiga)  KCS has 3 modes a 48 Track Track Sequencer, a 128 sequencer by which 32 have the ability to start and stop other sequence tracks (primary) while the other 93 can store  various rhythmic parts and you can trigger several of them together to alternate different sections.  calle (Open Mode)  and then the 3rd mode is Song Building mode that accepts the chains of sequences and is a play list performed in the order things are inserted.  Now it also has a whole bunch of Generation called the Program VAriations Generator and it will I hope I can learn it manipulate in about 20 different choices aspects of music like variaitons in drum patterns which is what My first lesson plan will be.  Anyways I will see about the video business I have never done that because I wanted to learn how to learn this stuff.  It's pretty complicated and extra-ordinary.  Also I am comparing this with the development of Biab, but everything works right with their stuff and I don't want to screw it up.  So I am thinking with this I can experiment and not have to wreck anything.


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A couple of Clarifications Sewer Docs (Atari ST)  LDS Docs (Amiga) but they didn't have the Level II docs) last time I browsed through that.  These teach you creativity with midi and don't get distracted with just playing sounds instead of discovering rhythms.    There are too many ways to get lost.  Anyways.  Now comes the setup for actual projects.

 


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OK I managed to get KCS to do what I wanted except it seems to give me 1 staff and I want to figure out how to get quick score to display a Piano staff.  Because drum sounds are spread through out all the octaves.  But I was able to get the drum midi files into KCS and up to the score panel which accurately displays the timing unlike some other programs that come with other sequencers.  Anyways now I get to spend some time setting up Unify.


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OK I did get everything explored.  I was looking for an easy way to looop drum beats while looking at the score of that pattern so I could practice counting and learning how to strike out the notes that wreck a groove within that pattern.  QuickScore doesn't use a song pointer at all, so it seems to be static.  So if you wanted to practice by listening and then check it.  It would work for that.  and for printing out.  But I thought it might.  It still has a wealth of other features that other sequencing software doesn't have so iti's still useful, just not on that Goal!!

 


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