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funkninja
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Hey everyone,

Just to clarify the live performance features, I would like to request for the next update to Unify:
1) Tap tempo for the stand alone version. Midi assignable – so a keyboard rhythm pad can be used to tap in the tempo of the current track. For example, if the band starts the song faster than the tempo stored for that Unify patch, the assigned pad would be tapped at the new tempo and all the delays, synth parameters, effects like pump house etc, would sync to the new tempo.

2) Live performance GUI. One of the priorities in a live setting, especially for keyboard players, given the vast array of sounds that need to be accessed, is to be able to call up the next patch quickly. A long gap between tracks during a live performance kills the vibe and makes the keyboard player look incompetent, and this industry is not forgiving in that regard 🙄 

With this in mind please could we have:

A set list feature where patches can be organised into a list, similar to a library, where the patches can be reordered easily.

A live performance gui with the set list clearly shown (variable font size?), and a midi assignable feature to allow keyboard buttons to be assigned and used to move between patches. This would also allow for the patch to be changed when Unify is not in focus, for example when another app is being used to display the sheet music. I read a post about using an ipad as a remote control for patch changes, but this would increase the already complex setup and amount of gear needed for the gig.

At the moment the Unify window cannot be shrunk below a certain size. Perhaps the Live view could be a Unify sidebar similar to the current Libraries/Patches panel, but with larger moveable fields with the patch/track names.

Just a suggestion: Perhaps the accordion/scroll view button could toggle, making space for a Live view button in the icon strip?

Unify is a powerhouse when it comes to music production and sound design. With a few extra features it could also be a huge help in live performance too. There is nothing else around that does this simply and clearly. 

Sorry for the long post. I'm hoping giving you some context will help with your problem solving on this one. I realise it's a lot of work and I'd be happy to pay $20 extra for these new features. I'd really like to do a youtube vid on the live applications once it's done.

As always, very many thanks for all your work on this,


   
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@funkninja

Thank you for the detailed post, and most especially for actually putting a dollar figure on what you think these features would be worth.

At $20, just to break even on implementing what you ask (i.e., cover the cost of my time, or opportunity-cost of not doing something else), I would need to be confident that at least 250 people would buy this. That's not out of the question, but still a risk that I bear alone. This is the sort of thing that makes me pause to think about what Unify actually is, and what market we're trying to serve with it.

Unify is primarily a tool to create and play with composite sounds built with multiple plug-ins, both stand-alone and in a DAW. While it can be used live, it was not designed for that purpose, and I honestly have no idea how many Unify users want or need that. My understanding is that it works perfectly well in other live hosts such as Gig Performer, Camelot, etc., which are designed specifically for live use, and which I would expect the target audience for your proposed new features would already have.

All I can reasonably do is thank you for your suggestions, file them along with others I am collecting all the time, and keep them in mind for possible future updates. However, based only on what I know for sure now, I can't make a business case for a dedicated effort.


   
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funkninja
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@getdunne Thank you Shane. I would be interested to find out how many Unify users would be keen on this too. I'll post in the Unify Live topic.
I was pulling figures out of the air and would be interested to hear what you think is a reasonable cost for you to do this?

Many thanks again


   
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I have to use Unify in Mainstage for live gigs.  That's because of Mainstage's ability to load all the plugins into memory, so changing from one patch to another is instantaneous.  I wonder if that could be possible in Unify?  I'm thinking that having a dedicated Library (folder) that could pre-load all the plugins in that folder so there's no delay when switching Unify patches.  I play a regular jam session where I do use Unify and for that gig I just scroll through and load each Unify patch before we play.  It's only about a dozen patches so it's not that bad, but on weddings and cover gigs where I'm using a ton of patches, scroll-loading would be cumbersome.  Just a thought I'm putting out there in the multi-verse....!  lol


   
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Posted by: @robosax

I have to use Unify in Mainstage for live gigs.  That's because of Mainstage's ability to load all the plugins into memory, so changing from one patch to another is instantaneous.  I wonder if that could be possible in Unify?

You can do something like this in Unify by creating a master "set" patch where you load all the patches you'll need into new Unify layers, then set up the macro knobs to allow you to switch layers on and off (using the layer midiEnable or midiToggle parameter paths) from your MIDI controller.

But honestly, if you're using Mainstage and it works for you, why not just keep using it?

...on weddings and cover gigs where I'm using a ton of patches... [I need everything in memory]

This is exactly how Mainstage works. If it's good enough for David Brooks playing huge arenas with the Gary Numan band, I see no reason to stop using it.

 


   
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@getdunne I agree, Mainstage is designed for live gigs and I'll never stop using it.  But for some reason, I've keep gravitating more towards using Unify Standalone.  Maybe it's the cool interface?  Maybe it's the nice big Knobs right there ready to be played with?  Maybe it's the almost instant access to all my Synths & Presets?  Or it could be that it's waaay easier to setup up complex layers of synths "on-the-fly" which is handy on jam sessions, instantly creating new sounds. I dunno.  I just love using it!

Great idea about setting up a Master "Set" Patch!  I gotta try that !!

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