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Ironbarkbob
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When building tracks from various library's I would like to preview patches in the brows section.

Say right click on a patch to preview and not load. 

Thanks Rob.


   
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hallenberg
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I have to agree, that would be a great feature. Ableton can do this and it's super helpful; you can either select a patch and hit the preview button or turn on auto-preview and flick through a list of patches using the arrow keys. It can be a massive time-saver, and it doesn't disturb your project by loading stuff you didn't actually want. Although Unify is fairly quick to load patches in a discreet Unify layer (a pretty fantastic feature in itself), it is rarely instant. For me, using the Reason Rack plugin in my patches means waiting for the Reason splash screen and a product authorization check... Every patch takes at least 5 seconds to load and it's usually longer. Blah.

So patch previews would be great. Even if it was necessary to DIY record an audio clip and dump it next to the patch file like it's possible to do with patch graphics, that would still be useful; far from perfect but better than nothing.

In the meantime it would be helpful to preview the patch notes, wouldn't it? I'm not the biggest fan of single-click opening of patches. Personally I would prefer one click to highlight a patch - view its notes - then a second click to load it. This would also help to avoid accidental loading of patches which replace the one you're currently working on without prompting to save any changes..


   
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@ironbarkbob What do you mean by "preview"?

If you're asking if it's possible for Unify to load patches (perhaps into some temporary area) any faster than it does now, the answer is no. When any patch takes a long time to load, it's because of the amount of time needed to load all the plug-ins and set their state (which often requires reading a lot of additional data from disk, e.g. samples). Unify can't magically make all that happen any faster.

The only way to do faster patch previews would be as @hallenberg suggests, to record samples of every single patch and load those instead. That's a possible option for the future, but it would eat a lot of disk space.


   
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@hallenberg

The "two-click load" idea is very interesting. If we ever do any form of "preview", even just showing the patch comments, that would be a nice way to do it.


   
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Posted by: @getdunne

What do you mean by "preview"?

Rob may have meant something different but here's what he made me think of.

https://youtu.be/TWc_S4q0-VQ?t=140


   
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Ironbarkbob
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Posted by: @hallenberg
Posted by: @getdunne

What do you mean by "preview"?

Rob may have meant something different but here's what he made me think of.

https://youtu.be/TWc_S4q0-VQ?t=140

Thank you @hallenberg

That's exactly what I had in mind.

Thank you for posting the youtube link.

Rob.


   
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@ironbarkbob, @hallenberg

See my answer above. I watched that video. The only way to do this is to sample every patch, at least lightly, and provide a "preview mode" where you can play the samples immediately, perhaps even while the full patch is loading.

  • Definitely doable
  • Definitely a ton of work to implement
  • Definitely must be optional, as all those samples would quickly add up to gigabytes on disk, once you have 1000 or more patches. (Native Instruments' Komplete Kontrol does this, as an optional 6.8 GB download.)

 


   
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@getdunne    @hallenberg

If I select a patch then load another instance of unify into its self

I can use that as a sort of preview.

Rob


   
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I would love a preview feature. Say you have a patch loaded, and want to try inserting some other ones. But with (now) thousands of patches in various libraries the name isn't enough to help me remember what a patch sounded like. So it hampers my ability to build new and interesting patches because the only way to hear a patch while building another is to load it in the existing patch.

So I'd suggest something like what Native Instruments does, a short audio file. But instead of having to record this somewhere else ourselves, my request would be for Unify to have a feature where we could load a patch, click "record preview" and it would play middle C, save it even as an MP3 (for space) and link it to that patch. Then whenever clicking on a patch or right-click, preview, that would play.

Also add the ability to link our own MP3 file so that we could save a custom preview for things like split patches, drum kits, or patches that don't work at middle C. Bonus would have Unify be able to record a snippet of its audio output for this purpose as a manual function for these special patches.

As for the amount of space? This is a struggle we always have to deal with anyway, with sample-based plugins. There are lots of ways to get around this. Like if the Unify patch preview files are stored in one master folder, this folder can be quickly redirected (via Junction point) to an external HDD if needed, just like we can do with any other folder.


   
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@ironbarkbob That would be sort of handy only if every patch loaded instantly. But with Omnisphere, or Roland Cloud patches for example they can take a long time to load. And there's no way to know if a patch I or someone else created has one of these long-loading plugins as part of the patch. A quick audio preview of one note would be more than enough.


   
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@lowell Sample based preview of just one note is an interesting idea. I'll bear this in mind.


   
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I do this when I am creating a piece in Cakewalk by Bandlab, by minimizing Cakewalk, and loading patches to preview in the stand alone version of Unify. It works great. You still have to load the patch, but once I find the one I want in stand alone (I may be working on a multi-patch instrument in Unify in Cakewalk), I can return to Cakewalk and add it.

Don't forget to close the stand alone before going back to your DAW, or you will have sounds playing from both instances, and it is as confusing as can be.

You could also do what John did in one of the livestreams by adding it to the instrument you're working on, soloing it or listening in context, and then deleting it if it is not what you want.

-- Martin


   
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