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Splitting MIDI information out of Unify presets into DAW multi-channel


urbaneric
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Not sure if this is a crazy request or even possible. I would like to take a complex patch (like BPM Bell - Angles Dance) and map the various instruments in the patch to different tracks in a DAW. This way I can record/process the midi information for Instrument 1 (BPM Bell-Angels Dance) on DAW track 1, Instrument 2 (Raincloud Majestik Pad) on DAW track 2, etc.

This way I can isolate the tracks to edit midi information or playback with Machine Jam live and change around the isolated sounds on the fly. 

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getdunne
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@urbaneric

This question might be better placed in the Unify Feature Requests section, but I'll answer here.

This can already be done by setting each layer's MIDI channel (see https://pluginguru.net/unify/manual/doku.php?id=layer-stack-view#midi_controls),  and then doing whatever is required in the DAW to route multiple tracks to those MIDI channels. This is a well-established technique, used with many other "multi-timbral" plug-ins including Kontakt, but every DAW has its own way of setting it up. Look up how your DAW handles multi-timbral plug-ins.

I'm interested in your last sentence, where you allude to how you want to use this ability. Could you explain in more detail?


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urbaneric
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Thanks Shane, this link was exactly the instructions I need to try. The complexity here is I want to do exactly what John does in this video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvNmKDOfQ8&t=1136s BUT I want to use Komplete Kontrol S61 as the controller/player while also using Jam as the "effect controller, fader, wet/dry mix" controlling the macro knobs at the bottom of Unify. And have each "part" of a combo on a different Midi channel in Logic or Live (I also use Protools and Reason a lot and can use Bitwig, Garageband, or Digital Performer in a pinch). The only DAW I don't/won't use here are the PC only ones (Cakewalk, etc.).

To answer part #2, if I have a bass line, lead, and drum in a Unify "Combo" patch, using Maschine Jam fader will control things like filter or reverb - but across the entire Combo. In this case the bass and the lead would get filtered together. But it would be nice to apply reverb wet/dry to only the bass and filter only the lead. Also isolating drum parts (like fading gain up or down on the kick, hats, or snares). In a typical "combo" patch it is all or nothing, but if you can assign to different tracks you can do different effects or gain rides. Not sure if I am articulating this correctly. I will follow the link and map different parts to different tracks in Live or Logic and maybe then when I accomplish this I can make a video to show that it worked (or better illustrate how I miserably failed, LOL).


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@urbaneric

I think your best option will be to split up the combination patches you want to work with into simpler patches, then load each into a separate instance of Unify on separate DAW tracks.

Trying to do everything you describe in a single Unify instance is pushing way beyond the program's design limits.


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urbaneric
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Yes, but that is what makes it fun! Opening up 10 instances of Unify (acting as a wrapper for Omnisphere, Serum, and Diva) is crushing my Mac laptop. Of course this is to be expected. I think I am also going to try to treat Unify the way one would treat a 16-voice Kontakt instance.

I have a few things to try. 🙂


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Posted by: @urbaneric

I think I am also going to try to treat Unify the way one would treat a 16-voice Kontakt instance.

Unlike Kontakt, Unify does not presently support multiple output buses, so this will probably not work as you would like.


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urbaneric
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Ah, good to know. I need to do some digging and actually learn how Unify actually works (as opposed to learning how to use it in song). Thanks for all the information!


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