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Thoughts on Constraining Patches to a Key


JeremyH
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I find some patches, especially BPM SPLITs that use BlueARP, can be much more useful if constrained to a key. Say you want to jam with them but in a certain key so that other musicians can jam along with you.

Using the Standard Unify Library patch "BPM SPLIT - What Time is Trance" as an example. The riff is a natural minor sequence so let's say we want to jam something with it in D minor. Pressing D3 will give you a nice D minor riff but then if you play E3, since BlueArp is just playing note offsets, it will play a B natural as the second note in the sequence which is outside of the D min scale (Bb or C would be needed). 

The way that I overcome this is by putting an instance of Scaler 2 after BlueArp on each part (lead and bass) with it's key set to D minor and KEYS-LOCK set to Scale Notes Mapped. This means that any notes coming out of BlueArp that would be outside the scale of D minor are forced up or down to the nearest in-key note. This means that whatever you play will be in the key of D minor.

For example, play a run of notes, holding each one for 8 beats, from D4 down to G3 on the white notes (and the same 2 octaves down for the bass) and the resulting sequence stays in D minor throughout. Do the same with the standard patch and it won't - try it by bypassing both instances of Scaler 2. 

I have a version of the patch with Scaler 2 already set up to do this (see screenshot attached) but I just want to check with @getdunne John/Shane that it is Ok for me to post a modified patch from the Standard Unify library. If not then it is easy enough to set up yourself using Scaler 2 (I'll do a video if it helps). 

I am curious to know whether anyone else has any other solutions to this or other ideas along these lines. In particular, can BlueARP itself be made to do this (I can't figure it out from the manual) but maybe it is possible.

Enjoy!


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Hexabuzz
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Cool idea.

Scaler 2 is awesome. Even as an experienced musician with a strong theory background, I find it incredibly useful and inspiring to use.


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getdunne
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@zinct

It's OK to post modified Standard Library patches here if you must, but for cases like this, it may be better to create a new minimalist patch to illustrate only what you're trying to explain, and nothing more. If you need to include e.g. MIDIBox with a reference to one of the MIDI files in the Standard Library, that's perfectly fine.


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JeremyH
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Thanks @hexabuzz! I seem to collect tools like Scaler 2 as I find them really good for generating ideas and "happy accidents". I am gauging the usefulness of other such tools in Unify to see what mayhem can be made with them e.g. InstaScale, InstaChord, ChordPotion, ChordPrism, ReMIDI, PhraseBox, Harvest, Riffer, Captain Plugins, Orb Producer Suite and probably a bunch I have forgotten about 🙂 

@getdunne thanks Shane. I probably don't need to post the patch as it only takes seconds to set it up and I'm sure anyone familiar with Scaler 2 and Unify will figure it out. 

 


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@zinct I recently got Phrasebox but haven't started to explore it yet. Any thoughts on it?

Let me know if you're interested in communicating outside of the forums - It would be nice to have someone to discuss these types of products with.

 

David


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JeremyH
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@hexabuzz I quite liked this video on Phrasebox... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfa9uhRr8Zc  

For instant inspiration there's also this pack available for it (purchase link below the video) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8Ab1sTlQo  

I find Phrasebox like a glorified arpeggiator although it can seemingly go much further which I haven't explored to any great degree. I also noticed that you can lock keys with it so I had a go at doing the trick I did above with Scaler 2 (see attached preset).

What I would like to do is a "grand experiment" with all of these tools to help categorise the type of tool, modus operandi and how/if they can be used together.

Happy to communicate outside of the forums. Can we send PMs on here? If so we could exchange email addresses.

To use the attached Phrasebox pattern just mute BlueARP and Scaler 2 and add a Phrasebox instance and use the attached Phrasebox preset.

I searched around my system and discovered that Phrasebox puts user presets in

C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\Venomode\Phrasebox\Presets 

You might have to make a dummy user preset for it to create the folder I don't know.

Jeremy

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JeremyH
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Here's a screenshot which might help.


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@zinct I did see that video from UncleAge, and I was planning on getting the preset pack. I don't think there's a PM function on the board, but you can email me with my screen name (hexabuzz) at Hotmail or Gmail.

Talk soon - David


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JeremyH
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Thanks David, will be in touch soon.


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@hexabuzz

Thank you for recommending Scaler 2. I picked it up today, and it is awesome. 


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@mschiff it's great, isn't it? It's really deep, too, and it sounds like they're dropping a big update on the 10th!


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JeremyH
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Yes it's a pretty big update (I already posted this on another thread here, but in case you didn't see that @mschiff )

Some of what's included...

  • Bass Mode (over one hundred new genre based baselines created by professional producers)
  • Melody Mode (over one hundred new melodies categorised into sets each with 4 variations)
  • Navigation Hot Keys (switch between windows using hotkeys or UI)
  • Swing and Quantise Menu (add global swing including triplets and various note lengths)
  • Enhanced Edit Mode (all new grouping and ability to continue phrases and melodies over chord changes)

 

On the Scaler forum the dev has posted a video showing what to expect. He is planning some more detailed videos once the update is out.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-2/5527/3   

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Isn't phrasebox basically doing the same things that midibox now does?  Can anyone explain what additional functions it has that midibox can't do?


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Posted by: @robertpeveler

Isn't phrasebox basically doing the same things that midibox now does?  Can anyone explain what additional functions it has that midibox can't do?

Probably closer to BlueArp as it's more like an arpeggiator. 


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