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Hi guys,

When I installed the Plasmonic Unify library by dragging the .guru file on to Unify, it didn't install. I couldn't find it in the libraries folder and it didn't show in the browser. Manual installation worked.

I noticed the macro knobs behave differently based on the patch. The issue is the initial setting of the Unify PlasKnob doesn't match the parameter setting in Plasmonic. For example, in the BASS - Impaktful patch,
the Unify PlasKnob2 (CC71) changes the Plasmonic M2 macro for Resonance in, for me, an unexpected way. The initial patch has the Plasmonic M2 macro at 100% and the Unify PlasKnob2 all the way to the left. As you increase PlasKnob2, the M2 macro jumps to zero and then increases as you increase PlasKnob2. If you return PlasKnob2 all the way to the left (initial position), you have now have set the M2 macro to zero, not 100%, it's starting position. Would it make more sense to have PlasKnob2 start at 100% and then decease the M2 resonance macro as you decrease PlasKnob2?

This behavior is the inverse of how PlasKnob2 is used in the BASS - Cyboroidoo (City) patch which starts with M2 Resonance at 0%. So we have the same Unify knob managing the same Plasmonic parameter but with different behavior.

I've just started looking at the patches in the library so I can't comment on how ubiquitous this is. It's easy enough to adjust the Unify PlasKnobs and re-save the patch. Maybe something to keep in mind for future libraries.

 

Regards,

 

Paul


   
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@paull

The very first version of the Unified - Plasmonic library had an error; John sent out two additional emails with corrected download links.

If you ended up with that very first version of the .guru file, it will have placed the Unified - Plasmonic folder one level too high. It belongs in the Libraries folder under the main Unify data folder, but it will have gone into that main Unify data folder instead. (To open the main Unify data folder, go to the Unify Settings view and click the "Open..." button. If there's a Unified - Plasmonic folder there, delete it.)

I will ask John to comment on your observations about the macro knobs setup. Thank you for the feedback.


   
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Posted by: @paull

Hi guys,

When I installed the Plasmonic Unify library by dragging the .guru file on to Unify, it didn't install. I couldn't find it in the libraries folder and it didn't show in the browser. Manual installation worked.

I noticed the macro knobs behave differently based on the patch. The issue is the initial setting of the Unify PlasKnob doesn't match the parameter setting in Plasmonic. For example, in the BASS - Impaktful patch,
the Unify PlasKnob2 (CC71) changes the Plasmonic M2 macro for Resonance in, for me, an unexpected way. The initial patch has the Plasmonic M2 macro at 100% and the Unify PlasKnob2 all the way to the left. As you increase PlasKnob2, the M2 macro jumps to zero and then increases as you increase PlasKnob2. If you return PlasKnob2 all the way to the left (initial position), you have now have set the M2 macro to zero, not 100%, it's starting position. Would it make more sense to have PlasKnob2 start at 100% and then decease the M2 resonance macro as you decrease PlasKnob2?

This behavior is the inverse of how PlasKnob2 is used in the BASS - Cyboroidoo (City) patch which starts with M2 Resonance at 0%. So we have the same Unify knob managing the same Plasmonic parameter but with different behavior.

I've just started looking at the patches in the library so I can't comment on how ubiquitous this is. It's easy enough to adjust the Unify PlasKnobs and re-save the patch. Maybe something to keep in mind for future libraries.

 

Regards,

 

Paul

Hi Paul - it sounds like something isn't quite right - every patch is saved with MacroKnobs 1 - 8 modulating the 8 RealTime controls in Plasmonic. The curve is 100% linear from 0 to 127. This might not correlate with were the starting value is in Plasmonic's assignments - I suspect many of them are at 50% - but that is not something we programmed into the Unified patches. We're not able to program starting positions in Unify that = the starting positions in Plasmonic. I have stated before "Moving a Macro Knob MAY break a patch" and in some cases you can't even get back to the original starting point - that's what happens when you can assign pitch of a drum layer, filter cutoff on a synth layer to the same knob (patches in CloudCity V1 do this quite often). With Plasmonic there is ONLY 1 parameter assigned to the knobs so you CAN get back to the starting point, just just have to know what that starting point is and Unify doesn't have communication with Plasmonic to know where that is or to tell you where that is.

Don't be mad at Unify because different knobs behave different ways! That's because the knobs in pretty much EVERY Plasmonic patch has TOTALLY different assignments - done BY HAND by Brian Clevinger - that are optimized to what disciplines of physical modeling are being used to make THAT particular patch. Plasmonic is not a cookie cutter analog synth with the same layout - every patch can use the resonance, filters, LFOs, EG's and more differently and affect DIFFERENT parts of the sound. So yea, every patch has different knob assignments.

My assistant Taylor and myself took 3 days to save out the patches and it would have taken 5x as long to name all 8 knob assignments to the knob assignments selected in Plasmonic. This is a free bonus library that allows Plasmonic to easily join the Patch in Patch fun that = Unify. Knob Assignments are easily modified (open the knob assignment list, drag the Min value to = 50% in a patch that you wish to save) or if desired, set the knob MIN / Max for the sliders so a patch works the way you like, then hold option/alt + Click Save to update the patch with the new ranges. Do this to any patches you wish, or, simply move the Unify knobs to where they should be to = the original patch and then save the patch if you wish. That is a lot of work but can be done if you wish.

 

- JL

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmj9cr4m11pi8jc/Plasmonic%20Unified%20Library.zip?dl=0

 

Plasmonic Library if you wish to re-try downloading with the final version. You might have downloaded the version where I messed up a few things (sorry!) and Shane fixed them for this final version....

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NOTE: The link on the Unified page for the Plasmonics Library at https://www.pluginguru.com/products/unify-standard/ goes instead to the Pigments Library.

 

The link in this thread goes to the Plasmonics Library.

 

Peter


   
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