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I have Unified  Rigid Audio’s Synferno library which contains all 350 patches.

To use this you need to own Unify, full Kontakt 6 (updated to 6.6) and Rigid Audio’s Synferno library for Kontakt.

NOTE: Kontakt was updated on 6 July 2021 to v6.6 and this version now includes the ability to specify a folder for non-player libraries like RA Synferno. You specify the folder location in Kontakt Options for your non-player libraries e.g. mine is S:\Kontakt Instruments, and then check the box underneath.

This should mean that you can use my Unified Synferno Factory library without needing to use symbolic links.

Download my updated guru file BY CLICKING HERE.  (Updated 14th July 21)

I have kept the patch names/numbers the same but have added the "standard set" of Aux effects and Master Effects to each one. Each patch contains 4 layers in Kontakt and I have set up ComboBox/MIDIFilter so that each octave of my 49 key controller plays the first octave of each layer. If you don’t need this then bypass ComboBox or set it up as you like for your controller.

Instructions:

  1. Download my guru file and drag/drop it onto the Unify UI.
  2. The Unify patch database should rebuild automatically, but if not then click the lightning-bolt icon.

 

Rigid Audio do a number of great libraries which are often on sale for around £5 or less (also remember to use code GIVEME10 for a further 10% reduction). I have been collecting them for a while so it’s always worth checking for sales. 

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Thanks a lot, I will give it a try.


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@f-aime Hope you enjoy it! One thing I really like with this in Unify is how easy it is to experiment with combining multiple Synferno patches e.g. try 005, 006 & 007. Also to combine Synferno with other instruments.

I'm planning on Unifying some other Rigid Audio libraries. I have StompBox, Viego, Acoustic Isolation, Angus, Aquiver, Felicity, Granulat, Metawave, Nylonist, Orbital, Outer Space Bundle (Ghost, Space and Space2).


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@zinct that's great, thanks again for your work. 


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FYI Synferno and 16 other RA libraries are on sale at PluginBoutique at the moment for £3.95/$5 each.

https://www.pluginboutique.com/deals/show?sale_id=7798  

It also includes Hypernode which is not often on sale. 

Note: these are only for the FULL version of Kontakt.


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@getdunne

Is there a solution in Kontakt 6.5x for this type of Unified library? Will Guru Link work on it?

-- Martin

 


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Is there a solution in Kontakt 6.5x for this type of Unified library? Will Guru Link work on it?

If @zinct has created the unified patches while the underlying Kontakt library folder is placed in

  • Windows: C:\Users\Public\Documents\PlugInGuru Links
  • Mac: /Users/Shared/PlugInGuru Links

then Guru Link will work, by creating a symbolic link in that location on the end-user's computer, to wherever they chose to put the Kontakt library.

However, a unified library created on a Windows PC will not automatically work on a Mac, nor vice versa, because the path structure is different. If the unified patches were saved with Kontakt 6.4.2 or earlier, Unify's built-in batch processing function will allow it to be rebuilt on the other platform.

For unified patches created and saved with Kontakt 6.5 or later, we have no general solution yet. Our contacts at Native Instruments have suggested a possible future addition to Kontakt which might solve this, but we have no idea when (or even if) this might appear.

I encourage all interested Unify users to contact NI support (via the Kontakt section of their web site) to explain that this is a problem, and that a solution would be welcome ASAP. Ask politely that your message be relayed to Mr. Elpiniki Pappa, Product Manager, Development Platforms, as he is aware of this issue and likely interested in related user feedback.


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These patches were created before Kontakt 6.5 was out and folk were still able to use the batch convert facility in Unify.
My Kontakt instrument for the above is located in S:\Kontakt Instruments\RA Synferno   on my system, so maybe a symbolic link to that location would solve the issue.

I must admit that I am not a fan of symbolic links and have stopped converting non player libraries for now due to this issue and I am focussing more on Player libraries like Pharlight which don't have this issue. 

Thank you for the reminder to contact NI support which I will definitely do as this absolute referencing issue has bugged me for a long time even before Unify.


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@zinct

Thanks for the update. I'm not happy about the situation with Kontakt, nor am I super keen on symlinks.

What the NI people suggested was to allow Kontakt users to enter a base path (I suggested expanding this to a list of paths) which Kontakt would automatically check for any missing content. This would make symlinks unnecessary, but work the same. Heaven only knows if they'll ever deliver it, though. Lots of polite whinging by users might help.


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This is now on sale again 5$ in pluginboutique. Do these kontakt libraries work in unify or what is current situation?If they do work, could you update dropbox link?  Thanks in advance!


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Native Instruments updated Kontakt to version 6.6 on Tuesday and this version now includes the ability to specify a folder for non-player libraries like RA Synferno. You specify the folder location for your non-player libraries e.g. mine is S:\Kontakt Instruments and check the box underneath.

This should mean that you can use my Unified Synferno Factory library without needing to use symbolic links.

I will re-upload the library shortly and you can test the new Kontakt functionality if you like.

 


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@zinct

Thanks for info and re-upload! 


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@zipidowski

I have now updated the first post. Let me know how you get on with the new option in Kontakt as I have yet to try it myself. 

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It does not seem to work for me from Unify. If I go into Kontakt, I can load any of the patches and they load properly (after inputting the location into Kontakt setup). But they don't load in Unify from your unified patches. I get a message that says:

The state of some Kontakt instances cannot be recalled correctly.

Please open any Kontakt instance to resolve the problem. 

If I do that, I get the good old dialog that asks me for the folder to search, etc.

I suspect that it's because your folder that was specified in Kontakt is different than mine.


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Yes, it's looking for the content in S:\Kontakt Instruments, instead of  my folder which is E:\Native Instruments.


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@mschiff

Thanks for checking.

There's one thing that isn't clear to me as yet, as I haven't found any documentation for this feature. That is whether the patches have to be re-saved in v6.6 Kontakt. I had assumed that, as the problem occurs when the recipient tries to load patches then they would need to be running v6.6 with their non-player folder location set up, but the fact that they were saved in v6.5 doesn't matter. However, it appears that might not be the case.

One other thing that occurs to me is if your Synferno folder is named something different to mine. Mine is called "RA Synferno" so the full path is "S:\Kontakt Instruments\RA Synferno".  I notice some of the other Rigid Audio library folders are named "RA_name" - note the underscore instead of a space. I also found a file named Release Notes.txt in the RA Synferno folder which indicates that I have version 1.1 of Synferno if that makes any difference.

If you are happy to re check I can upload a version with say one patch re saved in v6.6 and see if that makes any difference. If that works then I will have to re Unify the whole thing again using K6.6 when saving. 

I also Unified MegaMagic Guitars this week using K6.6 and sent it to John so I'll be curious to see how that worked out. 

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Here's the first patch from RA Synferno library saved with Kontakt v6.6 as the host. See if that works.

The library is called "Synferno Test".

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qwc2lshe472o0h2/Synferno%20Test.guru?dl=0   


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I found the updated Kontakt 6.6 pdf manual here -->

https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/ni_media/downloads/manuals/kontakt/KONTAKT_6.6_Manual_English_07_06_2021.pdf  

Page 34/35 covers the use of the non-player content folder and I think it probably DOES require me to rebuild the library using K6.6 as the host for the option to work when the recipient tries to use it. Anyway, we can confirm it using the Synferno test library above.

 


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Another test here!

So, after noticing that ALL of my other 12 Rigid Audio libraries are in folders called RA_NAME, I have now renamed my Synferno folder to be in line with the others. So my Synferno folder is now at "S:\Kontakt Instruments\RA_SYNFERNO" which I suspect is where it should have been all along (please confirm whether yours is also here?).

I have then batch resaved the library in K6.6 so that it works within Kontakt in that renamed folder, and then created another Unify test library called "Synferno Test 2" below containing just the first patch "001 - 8Eight Zone". 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1o85909g71m6iqg/Synferno%20Test%202.guru?dl=0  

Please try that and see if it works.

Once we have a setup that works I will re-create the full library in Unified format. 

Thanks again for the feedback as, without it, Unifying any other non-player Kontakt libraries becomes a bit of a guessing game.

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Yes, my Synferno folder is E:\Native Instruments\RA_SYNFERNO.

I installed test2, and the single patch worked fine, first try with no manual intervention. I had created a symlink, but I deleted that before the test. I also deleted the previous RA_SYNFERNO unify library that you uploaded before the test.

Looks like you've got the method down!


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Excellent news, thanks again for your testing and feedback! 👍 

I have now re-Unified the library and updated the first post.


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@zinct

The new .guru works perfectly. I spot tested patches, and everything worked properly.

Thanks! and congrats.


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Good news, thanks!

Now we have a working method there are quite a few other Kontakt libraries to Unify! 

I also picked up a few more Rigid Audio libraries in the sale on their website.

However, I noticed that they don't have Hypernode but it is on sale at PluginBoutique and is well worth the small outlay for anyone who doesn't have it.


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I have

RA_ACOUSTIC_ISOLATION
RA_GRAINSTATES
RA_HYPERNODE
RA_LIMERENCE
RA_PAD_THERAPY
RA_SYNFERNO

If you need help with any of them, and you have a script that would only need minor mods for them, I would be happy to help.

 

 


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Thanks, these are the ones I now own ...

RA_ACOUSTIC_ISOLATION
RA_ANGUS
RA_AQUIVER
RA_FELICITY
RA_GRANULAT
RA_HYPERNODE
RA_LIMERENCE
RA_METAWAVE
RA_NYLONIST
RA_ORBITAL
RA_OUTER_SPACE_BUNDLE
   - RA_GHOST
   - RA_SPACE
   - RA_SPACE2
RA_PAD_THERAPY
RA_PERCEPTION
RA_RETROCADE
RA_STOMPBOX
RA_SYNFERNO
RA_VIEGO

I am tempted to do Hypernode next.

Maybe you could do one of the others?

I noticed when I unzipped Limerence yesterday that it had an additional folder called "Limerence" below "RA_LIMERENCE" with the content below that. I left it like that and it works without batch resaving - just wondered if yours is the same? Of course, we could always put the content below RA_LIMERENCE, delete the Limerence folder and batch resave to keep it in line with the other libraries, but then, for sharing the Unified library others would have to do the same. I guess this just means that when sharing Unified non-player libraries the full path of the library content also needs to be stated so that recipients can change theirs to match and avoid errors.

I have sent you my script for RA Synferno.

 

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No, my RA_LIMERENCE folder has the same layout as the rest. No additional level.

BTW, how do you paste a graphic into a message here?


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Ah that's interesting; I'll set mine up the same way.

For pasting a graphic, I usually upload the graphic to imgur and then paste the direct link here. 

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I can also confirm that when I changed folder name to RA_SYNFERNO then everything started working.


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