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harryl
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Hi All !
Unify is killing my PC....its 8 years old.(Win 7)
I have a i5 2500k
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H (rev. 1.0)-Intel HD Graphic 3000
Be Quiet! Shadow Rock PRO SR1 - Cooler
Focusrite pro 24
Want to wait 2-4 years to upgrade. (Hoping for a new Generation).
Is it worth it to overclock?

Could my CPU die sooner?

Harryl

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getdunne
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@harryl

When you say "Unify is killing my PC" are you talking about every single Unify patch, or just some? Are you talking about the stand-alone app, or are you using it in a DAW? If so, which DAW, and how many instances at once? Running which plug-ins?

Are you certain that Unify is set to use the correct driver for your Focusrite Pro 24, and not a generic Windows driver? Go to Settings and click the Audio/MIDI Settings button. Make sure the first drop-down menu does not say "Windows Audio", nor does it say something like "Asio4All".

It should not be necessary to overclock your CPU to use Unify. Overclocking will usually only give you another 10% or 20% performance increase anyway.


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harryl
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Hi getdunne !!!!

-are you talking about every single Unify patch, or just some?

just some----

-and how many instances at once?

sometimes i can only run 1 instance without any other plugins

even with 2048 samples .......

Studio one 4.6

-use the correct driver for your Focusrite Pro 24

using the firewire 400 since 6 years.....without big issues

-Overclocking will usually only give you another 10% or 20% 

running  in the moment 3.7 turbo

having 20% more of the cake ......smells so good..!

Big thanks for your Quick answer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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getdunne
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@harryl

About "using the correct driver", this is not about having the driver installed on your PC. Check my response again in detail. It's about whether the right driver is selected in Unify.

However, that would apply only for the stand-alone Unify app. If you're having high CPU usage with the Unify plug-in in Studio One, there may be a more serious problem.

Unify patches do run the gamut from very light to very heavy CPU requirements. You say only some are bad. Can you name one specific patch which works badly? I have an i5 PC here which is probably fairly similar to yours. I can check the same patch and see how it compares.

Please test one or more "problem" patches both inside Studio One and in the Unify stand-alone, and let me know if there are differences.


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harryl
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Hi getdunne !!!!

Labs Pads=Buggy Swamp,Ambient Dreams as examples........

In Studio One = about 40-50%(and when i hold the sustain Pedel to long 100%)

In Standalone=about 20%

By the way crashes alot with 1.4 (both Standalone & Studio One 4.6

 

I really appreciate your Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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@harryl

What is your buffer size in Studio One? For Unify I recommend 256. Much lower, and Unify will work very inefficiently.

Crashing may be caused by LABS; it's very buggy.


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harryl
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Hi getdunne !!!!

-What is your buffer size in Studio One

256......but even with 2048 i get 50% CPU....

Spent the whole night updating Drivers----°and KB from Microsoft.

No improvment.......such a pain.....

Maybe Overclocking is the right move....or a new Audio Interface and Graphiccard?

Thank You anyway for Your outstanding Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 


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@harryl

An average CPU mark for Intel i5 2500k is about 4099 pts. I would see no point of waiting 2 years to upgrade to newest generation CPU as it is now possible to buy a decent second hand PC (with doubled power of what you have got now) for reasonable money. 


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@harryl

So you are seeing much higher CPU usage for the same patch inside Studio One vs. in Unify stand-alone? >50% vs. 20%? That sounds like something I should investigate. Three questions:

  1. Which version of Studio One do you use?
  2. What are you using to estimate CPU percentages?
  3. What do Unify's own CPU meters show? (If possible, take screenshots of same patch in stand-alone and inside Studio One, zip and post here.)

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harryl
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  Hi Robert.P !

First of All a Big THANKS for calling in !!!!!!!!!!

- it is now possible to buy a decent second hand PC (with doubled power of what you have got now) for reasonable money

.......but i put so much Love in the Mashine.....§§$%§

You made some good Points.............never thougt about second hand....seriously..just too scared ....

But i will look arround !

Again Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@harryl

I bought myself a second hand Dell Precision Mobile workstation in 2015 - it works 24hrs/7days a week non stop since then. A few months ago I replaced the battery and 2 cooling fans (a five year old dust made them a bit noisy). The computer itself is rock solid and I'm pretty sure it will work fine for another 5 years. Look around and good luck!


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harryl
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Hi Robert.P !

-second-hand Dell Precision Mobile workstation

looking at one in this moment...........

-Look around and good luck!

I am allready Lucky because of...... the PluginGurus that let US have such great opportunities !

and such a kind and helpful FORUM !!!!!!!!!!!!   !!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 


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@harryl

Hi.  Sorry you are having these CPU issues.  I had been using a 6 year old Surface Pro 3 with i5 up until the beginning of the year and Unify had been working great for me.  I don't recall it using that much CPU, but I also didn't have LABS installed on it.  I upgraded my computer at the beginning of the year.

It is strange to see such a jump between Unify standalone and inside of Studio One.  One thing to look into is Exclusive Mode.  Exclusive Mode says, "when I use this application, I do not want any other application to play sound."  Exclusive Mode can help a lot with CPU and buffering issues.  Your device driver (in this case the Focusrite) should have an option somewhere to turn on Exclusive Mode.  On my computer, it actually appears to have two separate audio drivers where one is exclusive and one shares the audio with other apps.  If I want to play along with another app, I allow for sharing, but then I can get horrible crackling.

One way to know if you are in Exclusive Mode is to first start your application. Studio One in this case.  Then go to YouTube and play a video.  Do you hear any sound?  If you don't hear sound, then you are in Exclusive Mode.  If you do hear sound, then this may be leading to why you are seeing higher CPU usage.  You didn't mention crackling.  Are you hearing any crackling or is that good?

  • Like getdunne asked, what are you using to see the CPU usage?  Are you looking at Task Manager or looking at monitors inside of the music applications themselves?  Or using another tool?
  • Also, what are you using to monitor the current CPU speed.  I can't recall how Win7 works, but in more recent versions of Windows, Task Manager displays the current CPU speed.
  • Are you on a laptop?  Is it plugged in when doing these tests?

Ableton Live 10, Omnisphere, Native Instruments (Pianos), Spire, Diva, SynthMaster, Alchemy 1.55, Addictive Keys, Unify


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harryl
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Hi SSquared !

-It is strange to see such a jump between Unify standalone and inside of Studio One.

Yeah that is the right Question.........!

-Like getdunne asked, what are you using to see the CPU usage? Are you looking at Task Manager or looking at monitors inside of the music applications themselves?

Both....

-Also, what are you using to monitor the current CPU speed?

In Bios.......4x 3.7 turbo mode

-Are you on a laptop? 

Nope -----Workstation

-have an option somewhere to turn on Exclusive Mode.

My Focusrite does not have that option,but Studio One has,

its called "Release Audio Device in Background".

Did not help either.....Studio One is kown for beeing a CPU Hog

i could try Reaper....but i dont like the Workflow

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Robert P...... Gave me a great Tipp ,Dell Precision Mobile workstation ,i found a Dealer...

but can not afford one in the moment....

SSquared ...appreciate your Heip !!!!

looks like i have to live with that,Unify is still great...even with 4 layers

and  has as a steep learning curve.....so for the next 2 years it won`t

be boring.....

Big Thanks for tuning in !!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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