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I have newest S1 5.2.1 and when browser in S1 show instrument or effect no hangs happen. the hangs happen randomly after 10 sec upto some minutes unify with open window. With a USB mixer (i use presonus AR8) and the attached ASIO driver it freeze whole PC for many seconds. remove USB cable get PC working then. seem there happen a deadlock. in asio for all, only crackle happen no deadlock.

problem happen only when the s1 browser show loop or files. it happen with gforce GFX card or intel graphic. really strange. can other reproduce the problem with studio one too ?. there can use the init sound from unify and have the unify window open

my PC work good and i can use low latency of 2.5 ms without crackle. the freeze happen too when i use latency of 24 ms. other plugins do not such a freeze.

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Hi,

Thanks for reaching out. In order to get this issue resolved we will attempt to reproduce this on our end. Before we do that, i will need to get a little more info from you please.

May ask if you are using MAC or Win. What version? What kind of Audio Interface and devices you are running? are you running the latest version of Unify? (1.5)

I understand you are getting freezes and crackles in Studio 1 5.2.1 when viewing an instrument. Does this happens specifically with Unify very often? When you remove the USB for your interface does Unify unfreeze? When not using multiple sound outputs on your system does Unify still have this behavior? Does this only happen with Unify, or with other plug-ins as well?

I apologize if this is repetitive. Can you provide any more detail as to how Unify is specifically affected by the use of your ASIO interface? Do Unify and S1 5.2.1 work correctly when using your system sound card?

We will get this figured out, it may just take some time.

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I get no notify about your post in my e-mail because i forget to subsripe to post.  So sorry that i am so late. I use win 64 20h2 . it is a presonus ar8 mixer it have builtin USB audio interface. It contain 4 output and 8 input channels USB. I try with other soundcard. the freeze happen only with asio driver. asio for all bring only often crackle. see screenshot what i mean with browser for files need open. the hang happen randomly. there need only unify open(no notes need play) and use this view. i keep it simple for  reproduce it. the studio one browser preview do not play. i have only click a file but it do not play. you can look a youtube video and after some time you hear crackle(when use asio for all) or PC freeze when use real asio driver. depend on soundcard asio driver if it unfreeze when remove USB cable. Ar8 nfreeze. the behringer asio driver do not unfreeze. but i use the behringer audio  not, i only test it if it work. other plugins do not such a freeze

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Hey

Thanks for your response. Are you using the VST or VST3 version of Unify plugin with Studio one?

Also you mention using 2.5 ms latency...Is this 128 samples at 48 kHz rate? This might be too short for Unify. Try 256 samples.

Thanks for your cooperation.

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Hi

I have use latency 2.5 ms (studio one show buffer 110 samples) and 24 ms. (1080) samples . so have nothing to do with buffers. s1 show the real buffer size. 2.5 ms i choose 64 samples. and for 24 ms i choose 1024 samples. I use 44.1 khz. i use vst 3 but happen also with vst 2

its really strange. I test in cubase and reaper  5 when use file browser. make no problems. maybe somebody can test on studio one 4 or 5 too ?. I can record a video so can see what happen. I need record it with camera, because the PC freeze freeze also screen recording for this time.

 

 

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I have update now my PC to 21h1 . problem stay in. I notice now the problem occur only when i switch my PC the first time to standby(suspend to RAM because boot and start the app cost lots time), then switch my USB midi keyboard off and my ar8 mixer off after PC go to standby. then after the resume it happen often.  When i do fresh boot and start studio one then problem not happen. I notice also when PC hang switch off or on any USB device(midi keyboard i test or wlan stick) help to end the freeze too.

unify is a good test because the freeze happen on my PC soon.

I know the elicenser too not work good after standby sometimes. so i avoid e-licnencer. ilok work good. maybe when have a easy to reproduce situation microsoft can fix that or tell which commands are forbidden to use in asio thread.

so it is usefull when other with studio one can test if they can reproduce the problem.

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Are you saying that Unify works fine, so long as you don't switch your PC to hibernate while it is running?


   
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@getdunne yes, i verify this now more. I never get such a freeze when i not go hibernate and later do resume when studio one run with the song. i test with a simple project with only unify and sine tone. I use hibernate often. when i away from PC more than 5 minutes or do a rest or sleep. so i need not start s1 again and load song.

when i test the cubase and reaper if it hang too, i go not to hybernate and resume during they run. so i do later tests if they work after hibernate correct too.

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the problem was ilok USB dongle V2. I remove my ilok dongle reboot and activate before the falcon on PC and not on USB dongle. and i get over the 2 days no freeze.

strange wy this happen only with unify and studio one after hibernate and resume and when files tab is show in studio one. i also try my USB dongle on diffrent ports and reboot. but does not help

have you a idea wy this can happen ?. does unify access direct USB devices in ASIO thread or something special ?.

I wait some days if you have a idea and more information so i can report it to ilok support.


   
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Thank you for letting us know that the iLok dongle seems to be at the root of your problems.

I have no idea why this might be more of a problem in Unify than in other programs. I suggest you contact PACE Anti-Piracy (makers of iLok) and seek their support. Please let them know I will be happy to discuss this with their technical staff. If they are interested, they can contact UnifySupport@PlugInGuru.com and I will get back to them.


   
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I test now the demo from scaler 2.4 and unify. with this combination, the freeze are extreme often after hibernate and resume and use of both plugins give freeze every 30-50 seconds. I am not 100% sure but scaler seem use juce too. did you know other juce plugins(best is free or endless demo) i can test ?. i think there is a problem in studio one that it not handle the resume correct. I also get problems with e licenser but not so often. I report it studio one dev, they tell plugin developer should test...............

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You won't like me for saying this, but I would not advise ever leaving audio apps (DAWs, synth apps, Unify, etc.) running through a sleep/wake cycle on any computer, PC or Mac. There are just too many things to go wrong.


   
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 we live in 2021 and every day booting is since many years obsolete. most users do not boot daily. So music software is always running. boot and start studio one load a song need over 1 minute. in a year there come many hours i sit and wait until computer boot. so you boot every day or more times a day ? and let your computer run.  in germany is power expensivest in europe and price go in next years even more higher. so save alot of money when pc not run full day. i need find more juce plugins, maybe they do something with USB or call a function in DAW that is selden used and not thread safe in studio one. today have in my studio one a song with unify and scaler but closed unify edit window. studio one is only use to route the virtual input from windows sound to main sound. i play a video on youtube and suddenly a hang happen. when this happen more than 30 minutes its no problem. switch a usb device off and then on help. this need 2 sec of time. but when this happen every 40-60 sec is too often. i can then use asio for all or windows sound. but the good thing is, that developer maybe see this problem fast too. so i write.

 

have you a studio one version to test ?. I guess not.  I can then send you a testsong, to see if it happen on your PC too. the studio one support tell that plugin developers should test their plugins that they work after hibernate and resume too. then i write that there is no free version of studio one that can load plugins and that the 30 days testversion does not help when the test time is over. i have suggest that they should do version for developer that can at least load 2 plugins.

 

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I have the free version of Studio One, which may suffice to reproduce your issue.

You don't have to search hard to find JUCE-based plug-ins -- probably half the plug-ins you own are JUCE based. The problem is that not everyone uses the same version.


   
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the studio one free version can not load plugins. Or do you get unify working on your version ?. then you have maybe a special developer version that can load plugins. have you a PC with win 64 ot maybe a mac which have win 64 install ?

 

the free version is called prime and and there is no dot on this line

Third-party Plug-in Support (VST3/AU)

 

https://www.presonus.com/products/studio-one/compare-versions

 

or have they maybe changew the free 5 version that it can load VST2 plugins ?. older 4 version free i know can use no plugins

 

I look in wikipedia from where juce come. it come from tracktion. tracktion is the only DAW that crash very often in my tests between 1017 and 2019 other DAW do near never crash.

 

I did not know which plugins use juce. but i try now the tracktion plugins collective, what happen with this. or try the free tracktion version.

 

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I was confused about Studio One. I have a full license for version 4, provided by Presonus, but I only have v5 Prime, which indeed seems unable to load plug-ins. I will ask Presonus for an updated NFR license.

JUCE and Tracktion are separate companies, but all of Tracktion's products (including their DAW Waveform) remain fully JUCE-based.

BTW I didn't suggest that you reboot your computer daily. I only suggested that you quit real-time audio programs before letting it sleep. How you use your computer us up to you. Whether or not every piece of software and hardware you own is compatible with your usage is a separate issue.

I will add "Unify may not work perfectly across a PC sleep/wake cycle" to the to-do list, but to be honest, I have so many higher priority issues to deal with, that it may be a long time before I can do anything about it.


   
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you need not add to todo list. becaue i think it is not a problem in unify. unify only do some code that trigger this problem very fast on studio one so can maybe find and fix the problem.

 

but if other get the problem too, then the chances are better that studio one developer test with unify and with a endless running other juce plugin. i look what happen with collective or other juce plugins

 

quit studio one and start it again and load song cost also much time. i load in 2-3 songs same time because it is better to work on songs alternate so tonal balance stay same over the songs.

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I buy now a focusrite scarlet 8i6o. when use this asio driver this do only freeze PC around 0.1 sec.much better and only a short bad noise happen. I have do a video(without sound)this show in unify cpu meter heavy long lasting peak. see at sec 45. the scarlet work perfect with 16 samples buffer, but for video i use 256 samples buffer so i am sure it is not a buffer underun because of slow CPU. sound it have not, because i can not record asio

 

 

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I notice this problem now even more when i use unify in mulab 9. this do also on mme driver 0.1 sec hangs. I have install windows 11 on other drive fresh and this do same. when i have most usb devices remove then the blue line come selden. blue line right and cpu spice on left side come always for few seconds when i plug in or remove a usb device. the cpu meter of studio one does not change when i plugin or remove a usb device and unify is not enabe. but as soon unify is used even if play no notes i notice a cpu spike when i plugin or remove a usb device. so i assume juce do some usb access in audio thread edit: when i go with mulab on in standby i also test stop mulab audioengine by go to audio settings. does not help sooner or later hangs happen. maybe you can test if you get too CPU spikes on your windows PC when you plugin or remove usb device  when use unify ?.

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see in video at sec 15 come a larger hang and the sound of the USB plug beep also get drop out even with this large buffer of 512 samples

when go into hibernate windows seem free all usb devices and connect them when resume.

 


   
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I would not be surprised if Unify's CPU meters spike when USB devices are connected or disconnected. These actions trigger a storm of activity at the driver level, which is almost certain to interfere with high-priority threads in other programs.

Please note that Unify's CPU meters don't actually indicate "CPU usage" the way Windows Task Manager does. For details, see https://pluginguru.net/unify/manual/doku.php?id=cpu-meters


   
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@getdunne I have a fast 6 core 3.6 GHZ PC i5 8600 .what does the blue or purple lines on right side of cpu level meter show that sometimes are visible 2 or more seconds and move from left to right ?. i did not so good understand the manual. maybe you can explain this more precise. wy can the green line go more right but the left meter move left

I hope you have look at the video and hear the crackle.  there is default sine sound load and unify do no notes play. sometimes usb plug unplug do no cpu spikes . the test with plug and unplug USB devices is usefull to see the problems fast. other plugins have no such problems. sometimes usb plug unplug did not show maybe it is a thread problem, maybe a windows problem.  A important thread have too low prioritiy in juce core or unify. so every USB action block sound long time.

you are the developer, maybe you can ask in a windows expert forum what can do, to avoid such long time blocks that cause long time blue line draw.. which thread priorities are good.

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The CPU meter on the left is best explained using an example. Suppose you set your audio settings to 256 samples at 48 kHz. Each 256-sample buffer must be filled within 5.3 milliseconds. When the CPU meter on the left goes up to 50%, this means Unify took half of this time--about 2.6 milliseconds--to fill a buffer. As long as the meter stays below about 90%, you should get smooth audio.

The CPU meter on the right shows different colors, to indicate what kind of work the CPU is doing when it is busy. In your "Scarlet Hang" video, when the big spike occurs, the meter on the right is almost completely grey. This means that the CPU is busy doing work outside of Unify. I have no idea what it's doing, and I can't control it.

you are the developer, maybe you can ask in a windows expert forum what can do

I don't program directly to Windows APIs, so this is no help to me. Unify is built on the JUCE framework, which is supposed to handle all low-level, OS-specific details.

Please take a screenshot of Unify's Audio/MIDI Settings window, and attach here. This may give me some clues about why you are seeing CPU spikes.


   
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Please take a screenshot of Unify's Audio/MIDI Settings window, and attach here. This may give me some clues about why you are seeing CPU spikes.

I have upload the video after-hibernate-resume. this was inside mulab DAW. audio settings can see

I upload a new video. I try now unify standalone and the nvidia hdmi output. so unify use no USB soundcard. still on right side a long time grey bar.

 

I did not record sound , sometimes there can see on right side cpu meter no grey bar,  sometimes you see 2-4 sec a grey bar

 

 

 

 


   
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I would not expect good performance using the "Windows Audio" driver. For music, it is best always to use ASIO drivers, and a buffer size which is a power of 2, e.g. 256 or 512 rather than 480.

As I said earlier, grey on the right-hand meter indicates that your CPU is busy doing something outside Unify.


   
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@getdunne with asio it is same. when the right level meter is full gray 2 sec mean this my cpu is busy for 2 seconds ?. I can show you a video with asio and windows task manager . in windows task manager is never a large spike detect when i add or remove USB device

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@getdunne here is a screenshot of windows task manager. you see there is enough CPu power free . 1 core is 16% . (100/6)


   
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Thank you for the new feedback. Clearly, there is something strange happening on this particular PC, but it's hard to guess what it might be. It might be related to Windows 11--perhaps it does thread scheduling differently than Windows 10 and earlier. I am getting a new Windows 11 PC soon, and this may help me to track this down.

The JUCE developers understand that newer operating systems provide more newer thread-scheduling API's, which the JUCE framework does not yet support. If this turns out to be a widespread problem, I'm confident the JUCE team will address it soon.


   
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when the right level meter is full gray 2 sec mean this my cpu is busy for 2 seconds ?.

No. The motion of the main (left) CPU meter is heavily smoothed, so a single brief spike (where just one audio buffer cannot be filled fast enough) will make it go up very quickly, but it will take a couple of seconds to go down. During the entire time the left meter is above 10%, the right meter will show a mix of colors to indicate how the processing time is divided among the various layers (colors) and overhead (grey).

The effects you are seeing on Unify's CPU meters are probably the result of occasional, very brief spikes of other activity. These spikes may be caused not by Unify, but by other programs running at the same time. If you are running other programs, especially background services of any kind, or anything which may cause a lot of disk or network activity, try stopping those programs temporarily, to see if the spikes stop.

 


   
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in windows task manager is never a large spike detect when i add or remove USB device

This may reflect how Task Manager's CPU metering differs from Unify's. Unify's CPU meters only look at the amount of time Unify takes to fill each audio buffer, as a fraction of how much time that buffer represents.

When you add or remove a USB device, Windows probably tries to service the resulting interrupts very quickly, and this steals CPU time away from running programs such as Unify, so Unify's CPU meter will "jump".

Your Task Manager screenshot shows clearly that there should be plenty of CPU power available, so if Unify isn't getting it (and hence isn't able to fill audio buffers quickly enough), this is a problem. If I see this effect on my new Windows 11 PC, I will investigate and try to understand why it happens. I have not seen this on any of my PCs running Windows 10, 8, or 7, so as I said, it might be something new in Windows 11.

 


   
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Optimizing Your Computer for Audio (Windows 10)

(...) "Also, many systems come preset to conserve USB power by temporarily cutting or disabling power to USB ports that are not actively in use. This can often be problematic for USB drivers that run in the background, since background tasks are not given power priority by the OS. If you use USB interfaces or controllers, than you should disable this power-management scheme. Go to the Device Manager > Universal Serial Bus Controllers > right-click on a "USB Root Hub" > Properties > Power Management > deselect "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" > press "OK." Repeat this process for all USB Root Hubs in the Device Manager."

"Windows allows for custom configuration of its power settings. This is useful for conserving energy when the computer is not in use. It works by automatically powering down or “hibernating” one or more components of the computer system when the computer has been idle for a predetermined amount of time. This can pose a major problem for users who record long sessions, as the computer may power itself down in the middle of recording!

To optimize your power settings for audio performance, go to Control Panel > Power Options > Create a Power Plan. Choose "High Performance." Click the "Next" button, and make sure both options are set to "Never."

https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025279231-Optimizing-Your-Computer-for-Audio-Windows-10


   
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P.S. There is a "LatencyMon" Real-time audio suitability checker (a diagnostic software that I often use for troubleshooting). Free Home edition is available:

https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon


   
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@getdunne this thread is start 2021. first i write about the problem with windows 10 and presonus ar8 mixer. with asio this mixer freeze the whoole PC forever until i remove the USB cable and plug in again. I still use win 10. i have win 11 only for testing and it is near fresh with very few programs.

I have upload a new video. this show the CPU load in windows task manager of each of the 6 cores and unify on the right side. you see the right bar is long time full grey and all of the 6 cores show only few spikes. on sec 28 unify show on right side 5 sec grey color

 

So my guess is . windows lock a semphore want do something with USB and. then per random the high pri audio thread want obtain this semaphore and can not get it. te scarlet audio asio does not wait forever to get the semphore. it wait ~0.1 sec and if not get the semaphore it do nothing.

I also have test long time with the latency mon Robert suggest win 10 and win 11. My PC have very short interrupt latency and the hangs do not increase it. windows 11 is faster as win 10. problem seem not in such interrupts. I use win 11 to show because my win 10 is very old and much installed

the USB power save i have disable  do not help

 


   
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@getdunne strange the forum can not play the latest video i upload. please download it and play then it work. in the 6 core cpu view you need also keep in mind the mp4 record need also little cpu time. so when not record a video cpu load is less


   
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The video played OK for me, but I can't tell exactly what's going on.

What I don't understand is why you are having such trouble, while thousands of other Unify users do not. Three questions:

  1. Do these problems only appear when using Unify as a plug-in in Studio One, or also in the Unify stand-alone app?
  2. Is Unify usable anyway, or do you get clicks and pops in the audio?
  3. What else do you run on your PCs at the same time as Unify/DAW?

   
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the video show the CPU load of every of the 6 cores independent. right is unify and play nothing. the sound you hear is when plug or unplug a USB device. you see in this video non of the 6 cpu cores have a more than 20% cpu load.

 

1 Do these problems only appear when using Unify as a plug-in in Studio One, or also in the Unify stand-alone app?

 

it happen in mulab more. in standalone happen simular as in studio one.

 

 

2 Is Unify usable anyway, or do you get clicks and pops in the audio?

 

yes, usable its a matter of taste . vinyl user get more crackles

 

here are no users that do the test if it happen on their systems too. I write before the audio dropouts happen when use studio one only after a hibernate and resume. when fresh boot it happen not. after resume then they happen around every 1-3 minutes.

 

the usb device switch on or off is only a way to trigger the problem faster and see strange things in right cpu level meter.  with other plugins problem not happen. Maybe some notice that, that are not in forum that use also standby and think ok it is much less crackle as a vinyl record and there is tell do not use standby. i want not reboot and live with the crackle. i only write about it because on mac there happen such things too.

possible new macs have e and p cores and when some os stuff is do on the slower e cores the propability that there happen a longer hang because of semaphore wait is much higher.

 

What else do you run on your PCs at the same time as Unify/DAW?

 

while thousands of other Unify users do not.

 

we did not know if they get such problems too. maybe they accept it , because think it is their hardware.

 

I have a fresh installed win 11 . i install step by step and i think after install the melda plugins this happens. but i remove melda plugins and it happen too after resume. so maybe not melda plugins.


   
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I've been using Unify as a plugin in Studio One for 3 years and never had any problems. It also works great for me inside MuLab Plugin. There are two things I do on every PC I work with:

  • I Disable the "Hibernation" - if it's enabled, Windows is constantly checking all PC components and connected devices activity and this causes problems.
  • Disc Drive properties (all drives) - I uncheck "Allow files on this drive to have contents indexed in addition to file properties" - otherwise, indexing will run in background consuming the resources.

P.S. And don't use any screensavers!


   
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@robert-p disbale hibernate is no solution because it waste many time to load songs and start computer. over the years i think i save hundreds of hours. it waste also alot time to the developers when they always need boot. so the smartest solution to save time is use hibernate and develop the software so it work good. except unify and the now dead e-licenser i have no problems with hibernate. so i can confirm over many years and ilok it work perfect when not use e-licenser or unify

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@getdunne have you done a profiler version for the mac or maybe you can do a unify profiler version for windows ?. I can install visual C or gcc runtime on winn 11 (on win 10 i have) so you can get profiler results and see which unify or juce function need more time as expectet when plug in or remove usb. maybe it help . because source in juce is mostly here there can also see problems in juce

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@robert-p disbale hibernate is no solution because it waste many time to load songs and start computer. over the years i think i save hundreds of hours. it waste also alot time to the developers when they always need boot. so the smartest solution to save time is use hibernate and develop the software so it work good. except unify and the now dead e-licenser i have no problems with hibernate. so i can confirm over many years and ilok it work perfect when not use e-licenser or unify

 

Most of the DAW's developers recommends to set the PC to never go sleep, it's also a default configuration for professional PC's built for the audio production. Off course, the choice is yours - you don't have to follow their advice (but please, don't complain if something doesn't work for you as expected because of that). We have fast SSD drives now, the system loads in less than 30 seconds and loading the song won't take much longer than that. 

 


   
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@robert-p of course because the e-licenser USB make all the years problems (i report to steinberg too) long ago all users that must use cubase with the USB e-licenser should always reboot their PC. i use sometimes cubase le . this version need no USB e-licenser . work with the software e-licenser also perfect with hibernate. currently i have not test if the new cubase 12 work with hibernate. 

wy should wait 30 sec ?. did you switch on and off your computer only 1 per day ?.  does steinberg give me money or pay the more power costs to wait or let computer run whole day ?. hibernate is standard but because cubase is market leader they create the rule because e-licenser not work with hibernate  i use some kontakt instruments guitgar vst and i measure studio one start and load song take often over 1-2 minutes. I always when i eat or go shopping which can take 20-50 minutes do my PC in hibernate and save money. in germany 1 kw electricity cost around 50 cent. this i do 2-4 times per day. so you need multiply your 30 sec with 2-4 .cost per year i save is around 10-20$ . my PC need 60 watt per hour in idle desktop. this money i can use to buy soundlibrary and not waste money and CO2

 


   
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Posted by: @user476565

did you switch on and off your computer only 1 per day ? 

My computer is "always on" - it restarts once a week during the "Windows Update" process. Also, I turn it off occasionally to remove the dust from cooling fans. I enjoy playing with Unify in Studio One every day - while you're looking for savings and spending your time on writing posts instead of making music.

 


   
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@user476565

I thank you for your (endless) feedback, but I am going to close this issue. You have already said that it does not make Unify unusable, and you refuse to follow recommended practices, so I refuse to put any more time into it.


   
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