Sample Start Value in Guru Sampler

Posted by: @robosax

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Hi,

It would be very handy for some kind of indication of the Sample Start value to fine-tune that ever important attack.  Maybe the slider could show the value when sliding?  Also a double-click to enter the exact value would be great for super-fine fine-tuning.

There is no "exact value", except as a percentage of the entire sample length. This is because a typical sample-set has many samples, including very long ones mapped to the lower keys, up to very short ones mapped to the highest keys. To allow precise control of sample-start, we'd have to provide a separate slider for every mapped sample, which makes little sense and would be very hard to design into the GUI. If you really want such precise control, you should create a custom SFZ map and put a custom offset=... entry for each sample. For non-encrypted samples (i.e., where you already have a .sfz file), look into Bjoern's Sample Mapper for this. (You may need to use your browser's translate function to see this in English). For encrypted sample-sets included in licensed Unify libraries, there is really no option at the moment; we can perhaps discuss this further.

Another idea would be to slow the mouse down when holding down the shift key like it does in Omnisphere.

Use the CTRL key. This works for essentially all knobs/sliders in Unify.

Posted by: @getdunne

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There is no "exact value", except as a percentage of the entire sample length.

Instead of using percentage, how about time?  Both Kontakt & Logic's Sampler use time (I think in ms?) to adjust start times.  So I can micro adjust the sample start time by tiny increments.  For example, adjusting from 1ms to 2ms.  The problem with doing it in Beorn's is that I don't know how it's going to feel until I load it up in Guru Sampler and feel how the sample is going to react in Guru Sampler's Filter & Amp.

I've been doing all my sample patches with Logic's Sampler and then converting them with Beorn's into sfzs. I tweak until they're perfect in Logic's Sampler, but then I get them into Guru Sampler and they always need another adjustment.

Slowing down the mouse with CRTL will help though.  That'll be very handy for adjusting all my parameters.  Sorry, I missed that in the manual!

Thanks Shane!

robo

After typing my reply, I realized that Beorn's may not be picking up my sample start times from the .exs instruments. I'll investigate that to see what's going on.  I might have to re-do my workflow and do all my mapping in Beorn's.  I also realized that since you're using percentages, that may be the reason why I'm having difficulty adjusting to exact times.  1 to 2 percent could equal 1 to 10 ms.

Another thought I had is that if you're using percentage values, some indicator that I'm adjusting from 1% to 2% would help a lot.  Or how about some kind of vertical lines (marks) along the slider path, so it's easier to tell if we're sliding from 1 mark to another?

robo

@robosax

When I say "percentage", I really mean "fraction". When the sample-start slider is all the way to the left, it means the actual start of the sample (more precisely, the actual start as defined by the offset value in the SFZ file); all the way to the right means the actual end (100% of the length, as defined by the end value in the SFZ file).

As I said before, adding any kind of value readout--calibrated in samples, milliseconds, or whatever--does not make any sense, because the actual values will be different for every sample when multiple samples are used in a map. You're running up against fundamental limitations of Guru Sampler's simplified GUI. What you need is a more complete SFZ editor, allowing precise control over sample-start times for individual samples. That's why I suggested Bjoern's tools, but I understand the need to audition results. I suggest you email Bjoern directly; he's very helpful and approachable. I will also email him myself to discuss this issue.

@getdunne Thanks Shane.  Your explanation helps make sense of all this, and I really appreciate it.

I'm definitely going review Skippy's videos where he breaks down the process of creating maps in Beorn's Sampler Mapper.  I'm so used to Logic's Autosampler & Sampler, but I'm not adverse to learning new things, especially for all the cool stuff I can accomplish in Unify.

robo